97-03 Edge Evolution Alpha/Beta testers

Old Jul 24, 2006 | 08:05 PM
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I just want Rob to send me my mailing label!
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by HotWires
Sorry, your IAT will go up with an open element filter installed. The coolest IATs I have seen are with the stock air box.
At idle maybe, but at speed, I've seen IAT's at ambient
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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And as for the stock intake IAT's ... this was posted recently ...

Originally Posted by Superchips_Distributor
... in short, what we found is that no matter what type of system you use, below a threshold speed of about 30-35 mph, you are going into heat soak - period. By that I simply mean that IAT's actually entering the engine will start to creep above ambient. Now above that speed, the IAT's, with a good intake kit, will drop to within a coupla-few degrees of ambient. So this is a lower-speed issue that we have seen nothing short of spraying really do anything about, despite all the various mfg.'s claims.

This whole myth of breathing "hot underhood air" is just that - a myth - we clearly found that in our data. The air filter elements on virtually all intake kits in the aftermarket are WELL away from direct heat rise from the motor, exhaust manifolds, etc. So it really doesn't matter even if a heat shield is used in most cases, or whether it's sealed to the hood, etc. - that is primarily marketing. The other thing is that the claims that the typical black phenolic-resin based plastic intake kits provided colder IAT's was also false. The only material we found deleterious to IAT's was aluminum as it took on heat quicker and shed it slower. See, this thought pattern really dates back to the days of carburetors, when the air filter element was right on top of the engine - but that does not happen with intake kits today, they virtually all have the filter element well away from any direct heat rise from the motor - so then it simply becomes a matter of underhood air circulation, and thus at what point do you hit the threshold of enough air circulation under the hood to overcome the natural heat soak of low speed/stationary - and we do not see scoops, etc making any significant change to that, especially in sumer with hot pavement temps! Not when you actually do proper IAT datalogging & true controlled testing of this - which is not easy to do - heck, it took us the better part of 2 years to really get data I considered to be good, as we had to duplicate ambient temps & humidity levels, etc., so it was quite a challenge.

Sooo - where does this all leave us? I prefer no scoops, etc., just use the AF1's aircraft grade T304 S/S that is mirror polished on the outside ONLY, as that is what is showing us the best power gains and lowest overall IAT's - yes, even though it is "metal." It's a matter of heat rejection/shedding in the real world, not some lab materials analysis - at least, that is what our data showed us, and why several intake manufacturers have had us help them do their kit design, and also why a few of them absolute hate us, too.

For example, we tested the stock intake and the AF1 on a 2004 5.4 3V idling in summer **for an hour with hood down** with both intakes - and the AF1 gave us 6-8 degrees colder IAT's - and no, I'm not saying that all others are "bad" kits, that was just the data we got.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 03:21 PM
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Return Label received 7/17/2006 ( 2 Day UPS : Thanks Rob )
Mailed back on 7/18/2006
Received by edge on 7/20/2006

Update: 7/25/2006

Edge returned via UPS next day air.

Thanks Rob

 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by R1Jester
At idle maybe, but at speed, I've seen IAT's at ambient
Sorry, I don't buy it. I have done too much testing and have NEVER had ambient temps under the hood with an open element. Think about it - all the air under the hood is coming through the radiator. It is picking up heat from the radiator. How can the air under your hood be ambient?

What were you using to monitor your IAT?
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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If the intake air is coming from the outside, the flow will cool and give up some of it's colder temp to the wall of the conducting medium. This raises temp in the tube.
Unless the outside ambient temp is guite low the IAT temp sensed will be somewhere in between the ambient and the heat gain through the wall of the air tube.
It's all dependent on the air speed and the outside ambient.
After the system stabilizes at some road speed time, the IAT can "approch" the outside ambient quite closely.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 07:57 PM
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=Superchips_Distributor]so then it simply becomes a matter of underhood air circulation, and thus at what point do you hit the threshold of enough air circulation under the hood to overcome the natural heat soak of low speed/stationary
and if you people arent inclined to listen to me, jeeps n fords, hotwires, and a bunch of others, theres mike troyer saying himself you will experience greater heatsoak at slower / standstill vehicle speeds and up to a certain point you ARE heatlogged. ps - i also love how this statement counters what is said in the bolded portion

anyways, thats been clearly established. end of discussion regarding that topic because this thread is for the evolution testing process. post a new thread, revive some of the 500 open/closed intake threads, or simply PM me if you disagree
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 08:02 PM
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I just got my Edge back from Rob and have reinstalled the stock program. Do I need to wait to talk to Rob before I update with the Lightning software?
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 08:30 PM
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Sent my unit back to Rob last Wednesday - received it back today. I'm going to reinstall stock program this evening also curious if I can update or need to wait for instructions from Rob.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 09:13 PM
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You'll need to contact Rob or the tech support to get a Key # to download the Edge Firmware, I did it earlier tonight. I just called tech support because I know Rob is pretty busy.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 11:01 PM
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Thanks.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2006 | 11:17 PM
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Thanks. I got back in from a trip for work late today and literally chased down the UPS truck to get the Edge after I found the note left on my door. I was hoping to get the Edge working again before I leave early tomorrow morning on another trip. I guess I will just have to run the stock tune for awhile.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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What were you using to monitor your IAT?[/QUOTE]

That's according to my Edge unit and comparing it to the overhead console temp. Not saying one is better than the other....I'm just saying.....


Still waiting for my edge to arrive back to me...sent it last Thursday, so hopefully it is here today.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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Quick Read To Restore the newly Returned Programmed Beta Edge Unit:

1. Connect unit to Truck and rewrite your stock program - Disconnect unit

2. Start and run Truck - OK

3. Download Latest Lightning Software from Edge Website
https://local.edgeproducts.com/edge/..._download.html
Direct Link to Software
https://local.edgeproducts.com/edge/...v2_00_0022.exe

4. Install Software and accept all conditions - Reboot may or may not be needed - My XP box did not need to - FYI

5. Connect Edge unit to USB cable and start Lightning Software - Unit will show model error -ok- in the bottom of the dialog you will see it does say "connected"

6. Click Utilities and restore Evolution - Box will appear with Seed # and blank box

7. Call Edge Tech Support 1.888.360.3343 - Explain you are doing a Beta unit restore and need a key per Rob - they will ask for the seed # and provide the key

8. Plug in the 10 digit key - enter - For those with a firewall it will FTP out to download the firmware so you may or may not need to adjust you firewall to allow this. Firmware will dl - unit will be prepared and then flashed and display when it is complete.

9. Go flash you truck again and Enjoy

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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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Lost Pup or others,

Got mine back from Rob and installed yesterday. Does exactly what it was doing before I sent it to Rob and the same and only thing it has done since I first got it. It never finishes the intialization procedure. I get the disclaimer and then please wait while Evolution initializes and that stays on the screen. I have waited as long as 30 minutes and still says wait for initialization. Started over from the beginning numerous times and same results. Anyone got any ideas?
Thanks,
Randy
 
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