Oh I've suggested it to him numerous times... And if Ford would allow him too, believe he he would!

 

Just because it will be a premium offering doesn't mean it will be better in all applications

 

After looking at the power band charts a few pages back for the EB, I was wondering if anybody has power band charts for the current engines they could post or even links will do. I know the 5.4 has higher numbers, but if it is a steep "inverted V" power band it will be less useful than the long flat of the EB.

 

Do a search for Hypertech max energy dyno chart... It has the stock tune compared to the tuned chart... It shows rear wheel power and torque too, not flywheel numbers.

 

OK, But if the 5.0L has less HP, Less tq, and gets worse MPG then the EB, not sure where it would be better. Engine life but that would be speculation.

 

I was simply showing an example of how "higher octane IS the way Ford does things sometimes". The octane requirement for an engine is of little concern to Ford I'm sure, you use whatever fuel is necessary to run the engine. The Taurus SHO is of no direct comparison to the conversation other than the octane reference.

 

That was Ford of years ago. Ford of today is very sensible and has a much better idea of what customers want. The octane requirement is very important to Ford as it has a direct impact to customers. Customers don't want to have to purchase premium, and Ford understands that.

 

Technology today is also much better than that of twenty years ago. Domestic factory-equipped turbo'd gas vehicles back then were plagued with problems which is why Detroit moved away from turbochargers. Seemed only VW/Audi could accomplish making a reliable boosted engine then (in the budget market anyway).

I believe I read somewhere that the new EB engines will be designed to run on lower octanes but will perform better on premium.

 

Carbon buildup = poor additive package
Detonation = knock sensor can't retard the timing enough (and/or on a turbo, open the wastegate soon enough)
Decreased power = normal

The ones you had must have "required" premium, it wasn't just "recommended".

 

I still have a hard time believing The 6.2 will cost more than the ecoboost. A TT DI motor has to cost more to manufacture than a 2V V8.

 

That is what I meant by running low in a high octane spec vehicle. Sorry if there was any confusion. Just trying to say that if it requires it, then run it.

 

Thanks that is what I wanted.

 

Your old Taurus SHO engine was built completely by Yamaha, Ford had nothing to do with that engine whatsoever. It was one hell of a good motor though.

As far as the 5.0 goes it just put up some incredible numbers in the new Mustang GT. I forget the numbers at the wheels but they said it was underrated from the factory. I don't know how much different the F150 engine will be, but it's one hell of a motor in the Mustang.

Most reports I've read (and I've been following this from day one) have had the EB rated at 400/400 for the F150. I've also talked to the guys at Unleashed tuning and they said the stock turbos are easily good for 100HP over stock, but the parts aren't there yet to upgrade the fuel system. I can't wait to get a hold of one of these trucks and throw a full turbo back exhaust and programmer at it and have some fun.

 

first of all this is just my OPINION


the 3.5eb in the sho only puts out like 365hp...in the history of ford.. the car version is always tuned for more hp...the truck usually needs the more tq and more stable engine as the truck is heavier...

now the 5.0 numbers I just read in the mustang are around 412hp..

I am once again proposing the 5.0 in the truck will have the higher hp number..that does not make it the more premium engine...

also I believe the higher $ on the 6.2 is because of the cafe requirements.. basically they can only sell so many so ultimately it almost turns into a biding war..

 

I agree with the 6.2L comments. They don't want to sell too too many re CAFE, and pending sales in superdutys, may only have so may to go around?

But the 5.0L will not have more HP than the EB. Remember the 5.0L in Stang form is slightly lower on pump gas. They won't have a TT DI engine as the base 4wd engine. All indications say 400/400+ for EB. HP/TQ in FWD EB is limited by trannys. In RWD F150 not an issue.

I'm not sure what would cost more to make EB vs. 6.2, but I know what they'll charge more for. The 6.2L.

My question is what is total weight savings of EB vs. 6.2L cause the lbs savings would sure help in total true payload of the F150! Did you see the large complex exhaust sstem in the SD 6.2L?