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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:37 AM
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my take

What does a track inspector know about how to build a proper nitrous system.
He knows enough that if he don't like what it looks like, you go back on the trailor and go home....... That's all he needs to know as far as any customer is concerned. There's no debate about that.

Denny has a real strong opinion about his product. I don't question how well it works because I have seen quite a few posts on how well it did work from customers. I can say I think alot of them were on NLOC though. That being said, I have also seen quite a few that it has not worked well on which tells me this.

1)If Race Tested wants their kits to be the best, they need people like Sal, Jim, and even customers to perfect it. Sals comments about the 4 bangers and bikes is correct. In THEORY, everything is black and white. In REAL WORLD and in the FIELD, it's not always that way. You need the R&D in the worst way to iron out all the wrinkles in this kit. Not everyone is gonna be running on a stock block and stock blower. Not everyone is going to be running on a built block and aftermarket blower. ALL THE DIFFERENT COMBOS CHANGE EVERYTHING..........THAT'S OBVIOUS. What happens when some of these guys running turbos want to get in the game??? If Race tested doesn't have a truck to do performance test on, don't say a 100 shot is a 100 shot because that's ignorant. Yes, in theory it is. What it puts out as it goes through the motor is another issue.

2)I am not a loyle PSP customer, however I have bought some things from Sal and seeked advice from him on occasion. With that being said, I don't think that anyone has run as many different combos on 1 truck as sal has. I mean he's had stock , to Works, to an F1 csc, to a turbo. He's made power with all of them so when it comes to what works, if he has an opinion to offer to a company who has not done these things, you should at least listen and contemplate the ideas.

3)I can't see anyone not using a bottle heater when it comes to nitrous. I also can't see anyone not having a pressure guage to monitor it. And i don't care how great your solenoids, and line designs are, I can't see you not using a purge valve. Like Sal said, one little burp of air and it's a blown run. Or worse , a blown motor. Not worth it.

4)I don't understand why such a nitrous guru as they are that instead of constantly defending and trying to make people believe in something that they just don't, why they would spend the time with people with these trucks trying to work out the flaws and make it truely the best kit out there. How are these kits fairing on the Cobras?? I havent' heard much about it.

5)Maybe I'm misunderstanding something but from what I understand, the Race tested kit doesn't work well with high boost??? Is this just how it is or cant he kit be changed, or will it be changed to make it compatable? What is considered high boost? I think if your gonna be in the game, you gotta be in the game 100%. Guys are watching what the big dogs are doing and if the kit isnt' gonna work with trucks at 18lbs + of boost then you aren't in the game. Getting the kit to work on somewhat stock with minor bolt on trucks is the easiest part. Getting it to work on different head combinations, cam combinations, blowers combinations, intake combinations, and even turbo combinations is the challenge. If you are saying that your kit won't work on some of this stuff then your kit can't be the best so you have to make it work. Like I said, maybe I misunderstood something but if i didn't, there's some work to be done.

Bottom line is all I hear is how the Race Tested Kit is the best. Now we have even more evidence that there's flaws and it's not the best, but still may be good. To be honest, If i was to buy a kit I would buy a PSP NX kit. Reason being that a friend of mine got one and I installed it for him. Install was clean, product was good, performance was AWESOME. My only gripe was the manual listed a diode harness to be wired into the tps box to activate the solenoid. Couldn't find it anywhere in the kit. After calling PSP like 4 times, and wasting half the day waiting for a call back and search around the house, truck, yard for something we might have dropped, I was told they had no idea about what I was talking about and to call NX. Which I did and waiting another half a day for someone to get back to me to tell my the diode was built into the box and the manual had not be changed
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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Part 2

Holy **** HUH???

I never had to go to two seperate posts........hahahahaha

Rob,

I know your the Wiz and everything but you can't honestly say that you are not disappointed with the whole situation. At this point, a KB'd Built long block is looking good about now and get rid of all this crap that's going on. I'm honstly surprised I havent' seen a "Sold the truck" post. I commend you for not being a ******* and copping out on your truck. I hope it get's to where you want it. Hopefully over the winter you can the springs changed and put an end to at least one theory.


All this talk about nitrous is giving me too many idea's
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Blown5Pnt4
wow......wheres jamie ?? I'm sure he'd be all over this thread......I personnally have and love my NX kit. ..............Snip.
Jamie got banned from this forum and another for trying to warn folks about this guy and his overseas little buddy. This time he can't use the mods to hide. Sal has real respect in the community. Mr. RT better figure out how to fix this crap quick. A glancing blow from Sal is worth 100 direct hits from Jamie.

(edit...took out my personal BS)


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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:46 AM
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hahaha

Jamie got banned from this forum and another for trying to warn folks about this guy and his overseas little buddy. This time he can't use the mods to hide. Sal has real respect in the community. Mr. RT better figure out how to fix this crap quick. A glancing blow from Sal is worth 100 direct hits from Jamie.
I was gonna bring Jamie up when talking about RT's strong opinon if it's product.........I felt I would try to keep it civil seeing it seemed to be getting back on track.

Off the deep end we go. Woo hoo
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tallimeca
I was gonna bring Jamie up when talking about RT's strong opinon if it's product.........I felt I would try to keep it civil seeing it seemed to be getting back on track.

Off the deep end we go. Woo hoo
Yep...Off the deep end. Funny thing...I think I was about to put in a RT kit...until he ***** all over Sal....................














Nah..........Not really...but I thought that would be a funny thing to say
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by racetested
Can you explain as I was the one who admitted our plate has faults and aided in Marks poor results?

An open mind works both ways. But this is also a matter of right and wrong based on facts. Comments were made and I have addressed every comment as to why they are not right based of extensive knowledge. Are you going to ignore facts based on loyalty towards another? Sal assumed he knew better which is not true. If I thought there was some substance, then I would have said "good point we'll look into it" as we always give everyone that respect. BUT when years and thousands of hours have been invested that proved a suggestion wrong years ago then NO we aren't going to say "you are right" as we know you aren't and I mentioned why. Now I have not heard anything technical in return to prove us wrong at all. I'm very open to why we are wrong but you better have facts based off extensive research like we do and not just a few childish comments.
see everything you say has no substance on this site
U have been on this board for like 3 days and came on here strong like Sal said. Boasting that your kit is better than everyone else to a Lightning board. That to me means that your kit is better than any other on a Lightning. I don’t think you came on here saying you have the best 4 banger kit, you are saying you had the best lightning kit. For all we know you are some little internet geek with big azz thick glasses being a keyboard cowboy. Sal on the other hand has been here for a long time, a lot longer than I have know him and he has provide substance on almost everything he post. He has been here for his customers and even not his customers to help them out and give them good advice. You are not giving any advice on to how to fix the problem, except defending you kit and saying that the kit is not the issue. Do you think maybe, just maybe Sal might know a thing or 2 about Lightnings and might know what he is talking about. You said it yourself, you saw a video of his hood blowing off his truck. That was several years ago and part of his R & D. Something went wrong and he learned from it, MADE CHANGES and fixed the issue. Obviously if he has been tuning them for the last 7 yrs and throwing nitrous at them for the last 7 years don’t you think he might have learn a thing or 2?
I am not defending Sal in anyway I am just informing you of how much of a horses azz you sound to me. Don’t be mad because you were not right and you wasted money on your R & D for the lightning community. You should be happy there are so many people that have experience with lightnings and nitrous to give you advice so you don’t waste money a second time around.
If you are truly looking out for the Lightning community and looking to develop the best kit for us then why not spend $50 on some braided lines, hook up one of your purges, borrow one of your competators bottle heater and see if that improves the results. In the long run it can make you more money., If you find out that the purge and bottle heater make the kit work for our trucks that Is just 2 more products for you to sell and make money on.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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crap

does anyone have that video of Sal's explosion?? I always wanted to check that out. I seen a video of it happening on a vette.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tallimeca
does anyone have that video of Sal's explosion?? I always wanted to check that out. I seen a video of it happening on a vette.
I'd sure love to see that as well. As far as I knew, there was no video or even a picture of that event.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 12:10 PM
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Sal

not that i want to get my jollies by watching other people's misfortunes. Sometimes, there stuff you just have to see.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tallimeca
not that i want to get my jollies by watching other people's misfortunes. Sometimes, there stuff you just have to see.
Oh, I didn't mean anything bad, I just always wanted to see what it looked like from the other side of the flames . To my knowledge, there was no video or pics of it.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 01:16 PM
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Here's a question:

Looking around Ebay I came across this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4584519095

They state it has NX Nitrous Plate between the Supercharger and the intake.

Is this a PROTOTYPE plate or is it available to the public?

It seems that Nozzel placement is an issue, this seems like an alternative solution.

Just to clarify a point here:
I thought the Nitrous Maximizer was the best thing since slice bread.
I'm not too familar with nitrous setups, but being albe to control the shot and fuel/nitrous mixture with delays and such, looks like an excellent idea to me.

Can this be incorporated into a non rt system?
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 01:19 PM
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it may be a plate with a spray bar in it.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by l-menace
Here's a question:

Looking around Ebay I came across this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4584519095

They state it has NX Nitrous Plate between the Supercharger and the intake.

Is this a PROTOTYPE plate or is it available to the public?

It seems that Nozzel placement is an issue, this seems like an alternative solution.

Just to clarify a point here:
I thought the Nitrous Maximizer was the best thing since slice bread.
I'm not too familar with nitrous setups, but being albe to control the shot and fuel/nitrous mixture with delays and such, looks like an excellent idea to me.

Can this be incorporated into a non rt system?
it looks like someone tapped a hole in the intercooler and ran the nozzle in there, in one of the pics you can see the line runs right behind the alternator.. man if i didnt have so many mods on my stock block id give my truck to Sal and have him to with 2 or 3 NOS kits to see just which kit gives you the most bang for your buck.. id really like to get a hold of that NOS kit that goes to the lower.. that looks to be the most expensive yet the most effective...
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
it looks like someone tapped a hole in the intercooler and ran the nozzle in there, in one of the pics you can see the line runs right behind the alternator.. man if i didnt have so many mods on my stock block id give my truck to Sal and have him to with 2 or 3 NOS kits to see just which kit gives you the most bang for your buck.. id really like to get a hold of that NOS kit that goes to the lower.. that looks to be the most expensive yet the most effective...
im not sold on a direct port style injection system. if the nozzle infront of the blower works fine up to 100 or 150 shot, then running a direct port stlye system seems pointless. only so much pressure the heads can take before they lift. i think we reached the end of the rope when it comes to E.T.'s on these trucks. i know we cane make them go quicker, BUT not with out sacrafice (comfort, reliabillity, oem apparance) or wieght reduction
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lightninquick
im not sold on a direct port style injection system. if the nozzle infront of the blower works fine up to 100 or 150 shot, then running a direct port stlye system seems pointless. only so much pressure the heads can take before they lift. i think we reached the end of the rope when it comes to E.T.'s on these trucks. i know we cane make them go quicker, BUT not with out sacrafice (comfort, reliabillity, oem apparance) or wieght reduction
I hear that Rick.. hows your truck running?
 
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