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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
Hey JackA$$ i cant help but speak of the truth and what i saw with my own two eyes.. words only fail you beacuse i am too much of a unique individual who believes in quality.. and your partner racetested came out being the biggest A$$hole on this forum.. he blamed everyone but his own product.. and everyone knows that dyno numbers result in power, tuning is the key essential for the life and efficiency of an engine.. and especially when running NOS or race fuel.. youll never know what your vehicle is performing like unless it is tuned properly.. and if your kit claims 100hp and on the dyno the customer sees 70hp or something like that im using numbers as an example, then your kit did not make the expectations of the buyer as the company states it would perform.. i tell it how i see it.. the dyno proves results in hp gains.. and according to Sal who is also my tuner it just doesnt want to work.. Sal has made many attempts to help your product sell and perform better... take him up on the offer instead of racetested calling him out to a 10,000 dollar challenge.. racetested get a life will ya, Sal is a professional that has a business to run, and is pretty busy, especially when he is trying to fix your products faults..
You along with your attitude and immature responses make not only you look bad, but PSP as well. PSP and Racetested have tried in a mature and adult way to converse, and it seems to have worked, but you stoop to levels that only children in a playground do when their feelings are hurt.

Grow up child.

Adrenalinowner
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 09:58 PM
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Trev,
thank you for not stirring the pot any further. What it's going to take to truly deliver the best kit FOR A LIGHTNING is the combined knowledge on both the Nitrous side and the truck side. With you AND Sal working on this, I have no doubt that we're going to see some great strides. I'm very good friends with one of your testers that went from NX to your kit, and if anyone has been around here for long, they know that Matias (mistergadget) will tell you EXACTLY what he thinks about any modifications to these trucks. I look forward to seeing some great track numbers, and I have no doubt I'll be in the purchase line when the "proof" is finally out there.

P.S. Sal, thanks for at least giving Trev a chance to make things right. It takes a humble man to put up with some of the comments that have been said, yet still care enough about us truck freaks that are looking for the best mods.

You guys take it easy. We'll be waiting.

Josh
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by adrenalinowner
You along with your attitude and immature responses make not only you look bad, but PSP as well. PSP and Racetested have tried in a mature and adult way to converse, and it seems to have worked, but you stoop to levels that only children in a playground do when their feelings are hurt.

Grow up child.

Adrenalinowner
who the HELL are you? you wanna attack me personally now? bring it! if you had any brain cells and if you had any literacy, you can read that i posted a more subtle response after all was said.. dont you dare come at me with a personal attack unless your ready.. and A$$hole the Adrenaline doesnt come out till 2007.. you probably own a VW Beetle.. or a Huffy which is it? take a walk Newbie.. unless you know the situation, stay the Hell outta the picture.. the only that looks bad here is you.. i did nothing but state fact and opinion.. when racetested came at me personally i went back at him, not in a personal way but in a way towards his product. the only child here is you trying to stir this pot up that has since your post calmed down.. i wouldnt be a bit surprised if this was racetested or another one of his supporters which there werent many, trying to be a tough guy on the computer.. so when you say grow up child, i say get a life computer dork.. im a man not some punk ******* that comes out of shadows to go after a guy personally.. take your attitude someplace else! and for the record i have no reason for my feelings to be hurt.. what are you driving by the way? what are your mods? does anyone even know who the heel you are? go back to where ever it is you came from. little pups such as yourself cant hang with the big dogs!! peace out home slice!! yea i just confirmed that you only have 1 post and it was that one towards me.. you must definately be an A$$HOLE!!!
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
the Adrenaline doesnt come out till 2007

Just trying to Lighten the hostile environment here ( Pun intended)

Umm My Local dealership has a Few Adrenaline's sitting on the lot. They aren't SVT models, but they are Adrenaline's.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by l-menace
Just trying to Lighten the hostile environment here ( Pun intended)

Umm My Local dealership has a Few Adrenaline's sitting on the lot. They aren't SVT models, but they are Adrenaline's.
ahh good call, is that the replacement instead of being called a sport trac??
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 07:04 AM
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Thanks for the supportive comments guys, I look forward to hearing from anyone who has not achieved satisfactory results.

By the way does anyone have any graphs of when these trucks were on the Dyno, as I'd like to see the torque figures?

Just for the record, I'd rather see the following increases 100 ftlbs & 50 bhp than 50 ftlbs and 100 bhp if my main aim was acceleration. The first numbers would be good for flyers but the second set would be better for 1/4s. Mind you we'd all rather have 100 ftlbs & 100 bhp but you seldom get result.

Here's another tip for anyone with a suitable dyno, drop the conventional measurements, measure speed and time instead. This translates into acceleration and therefore is far more useful for setting up a vehicle for track use than tuning for bhp. You'll also be AMAZED at how much different you need to tune the mix to achieve optimum results using this technique and the track results will be better as a consequence.


Rob,

Since you increased the jets, does the truck feel any quicker even though the dyno didn't show an increase in peak power?

Regards

Trev The WIZARD of NOS
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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Sal,
Can you please refresh my memory on what changes we talked about long ago as I have no recollection of that conversation as we only spoke once from what I remember and it was never about our kits and their downfalls. I do remember having Trev try to call you about putting a kit together, talk about some things and he could never get a hold of you and never recieved a reply back from you. Trev is getting older but I'm sure he remembers this.

This is not stirring the pot either. My defensivness is because I have no idea what Sal is talking about this whole time, where the statements are coming from this whole time and my memory is pretty good.

As far as how our kit would work better for a Lightning I am always up for suggestions and am working on some with people. But as far as I know the PSP NX it is just a single point injector like we do. So what's going to be done differently? It's not the injector and I know Trev will agree with me if he saw the photos. Not having a proper plate to put the injector in the right place is a problem and I have addressed this numerous times. Our current plate is restricting half the output and is being corrected.

On the same note we have half the guys making great results or better than what they did with other kits and then others supposedly not. As Trev said the ones that are not need to contact us to get this sorted and again this is part of my defensiveness. It's not fair for a customer to have poor results and not let us know or help fix them, yet just say the kit does not work.

Lightningquick for example. You said you have bogging of the line. I wish I knew of this as I could sort this out and you would be running a new PB like all the others. Bogging is 'not' normal at all and it has nothing to do with a lack of purge when using our nylon line. Why you never let me know of this is beyond me as I thought any racer would want optimal performance.
 

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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 08:03 AM
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Lightningquick,

Denny is right that it's not normal for our systems to suffer a bog so could you please send me some pics of your install so I can determine why that is happening. Any of the guys that are having great results on these trucks will tell you the power delivery is very smooth (much smoother than any other kit) and that they have no bog problems.

Once we have some pics, I'm sure we can pinpoint the cause and rectify it for you.

Regards
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 08:22 AM
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Correction above. My memeory is good but a little delayed sometimes.

Through a circus of emails having Rob be the third party. Not conversations mind you. Rob told me that Sal was interested in selling our kits but did not like the nylon. I said the main lines can be changed to braided which is fine but then a purge has to be used. This is not what we prefer but we are flexible on this just as when selling direct.

Sal I believe wanted the all the nylon changed and I said there is no reason to change the nylon betwen the pulsoid and injectors as there are no problems, our fittings and injector are designed to use the nylon as it is better for the application, etc. Sal did not agree so that's when I had Trev try to call and explain all the details as we don't like braided and for very good reasons. Trev had had no contact success after several attempts as I stated above.

That's it, nothing ever materialized.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
Adrenaline doesnt come out till 2007.. you probably own a VW Beetle.. or a Huffy which is it?
He/she probably owns a Lightning and is just too much of a ******* to post how they feel under their own name. -Mat-
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SVT F15O
He/she probably owns a Lightning and is just too much of a ******* to post how they feel under their own name. -Mat-
Mat i strongly agree!! as well as other members that i keep in touch with by phone and by instant messaging on aol.. they said i should report it but i have no time for it, its just more nonsense coming from someone that doesnt know *****...
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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Here's something people may relate to on comparing the high pressure braided to the high pressure nylon.

You have a motor that redlines at 6,000rpm and you rev it past that redline which causes the motor to blow. Is the motor somehow garbage or is it OE error for going past the recommended guidlines? You say well that other motor over there has a redline of 10,000 rpms with no problems so it must be better. Is this true or is something else compromised on that 10,000 rpm motor throughout the rest of the rpm range for your needs.

Same holds true for the high pressure nylon and braided:
The braided boils off so much nitrous to gas that you have to purge that gas or suffer a huge initial power loss, the smaller end fittings compared to the bigger ID pipe cause phase change which reduces performance also, suffers leakage. Now the pressure rating is higher so it makes it better overall?
The nylon eliminates the need for a purge, has a constant inner bore with external fittings for more efficient flow, and does not have leakage if installed right. Now the pressure rating is lower BUT still sufficient enough WHEN the guidelines are followed(Keep protected from excess heat and don't push it past the 1500psi burst pressure that is instructed in the manual).

Now some will say, yeah but the braided is better as you should not have to worry about a lower burst pressure like the nylon. Well it goes back to my first point above that what initially looks better at peak numbers is not the best overall. Look at all the pluses and minuses throughout.

Pushing the nylon past it's limits like that motor above does not make something garbage. On either application you have nothing to gain and everything to lose. The motor is pushed past it's efficiency range so it's not making any more power and actually losing, the nitrous at those pressures from excess heat has lost so much density that you also lose power.

Keep things in operating range as they were designed to be with extensive testing to best suite the application and you shouldn't have any problems.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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I totally agree with what you're saying. You're systems just need a little more care than the average "OH MY GAWD I HAVE THE NAWWWWWZ!!!!" person that wants to slap a tank in and trun the bottle on. Your lines are perfectly suited for YOUR application. It makes sense to me.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:54 PM
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Your lines are perfectly suited for YOUR application. It makes sense to me.
I for one am sold on thier quality. And my timslips/sig backs it up too.

Rich
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by racetested
You would have sold how many of our kits? When I originally spoke to you, you said you move like 1 kit every 6 months.

Can you please list all these customers with our kits with issues across the country? I love when somehow others know better than I the supplier. It's all new news to me. NLOC, and our forum have plenty of great comments to say about the kit and the results. I listed two already. What are your replies on them? Are these great results somehow fabricated? You claim NX is so great yet I had a guy with an NX kit swap to ours and got better results. Again how do you explain?
I know of 2, and like sal said, you told them that it couldnt be the kits fault it had to be the installation or the tuner.
 
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