Wisconsin trying to replicate Greese?
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Okay hibby
I was speaking about where the money goes in my county and not the state of Wisconsin, as I said, "I don't know about the state of Wisconsin", so you didn't do your homework (as you claim you do) before speaking or you just simply don't understand, so yeah, it does kinda change things a little, and thanks for putting words in my mouth, you really need to read things through before you spew crap
There you go again Hibby, making stuff up 
Oh and since you posted the Wisconsin budget up and your going to do my homework for me, just how much of the budget is allocated for education in their state? Seriously, I really don't know. C'mon teacher teach me.
Sorry for the typo, 63% not 67% is what you stated. My Error. Does it really change anything??
I don't just Make up stuff.
If you think Teacher's are 67% of their problems you are Strongly mistaken...
Oh and since you posted the Wisconsin budget up and your going to do my homework for me, just how much of the budget is allocated for education in their state? Seriously, I really don't know. C'mon teacher teach me.
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FWIW, in California, 53% of the state budget goes to education.
I suspect Wisconsin spends more per pupil than CA.
http://www.sco.ca.gov/state_finances..._spending.html
I suspect Wisconsin spends more per pupil than CA.
http://www.sco.ca.gov/state_finances..._spending.html
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FWIW, in California, 53% of the state budget goes to education.
I suspect Wisconsin spends more per pupil than CA.
http://www.sco.ca.gov/state_finances..._spending.html
I suspect Wisconsin spends more per pupil than CA.
http://www.sco.ca.gov/state_finances..._spending.html
Wisconsin is 37%
The cuts we are currently debating would save $30 million by July 1 and $300 million over the next two years to address a $3.6 billion budget shortfall.
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There you go again speaking out your ars! Glad you know everything there Hibby. So now your calling me a liar. I know what what the budget report says and those are the numbers. You didn't bother to answer my last question either, and I was sincere when I asked and said I didn't know. You are the one talking about doing homework and engaging in an educated discussion, yet when it comes down to it, you resort to calling others a liar when you don't even know the facts before you speak. Good thing you don't run that state, otherwise everybody would be broke and unemployed.
There's an old saying that directly applies to you: Better to sit there and let everyone think you're stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Keep up the good fight there Hibby
There's an old saying that directly applies to you: Better to sit there and let everyone think you're stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Keep up the good fight there Hibby
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There you go again speaking out your ars! Glad you know everything there Hibby. So now your calling me a lier. I know what what the budget report says and those are the numbers. You didn't bother to answer my last question either, and I was sincere when I asked and said I didn't know. You are the one talking about doing homework and engaging in an educated discussion, yet when it comes down to it, you resort to calling others a lier when you don't even know the facts before you speak. Good thing you don't run that state, otherwise everybody would be broke and unemployed.
There's and old saying that directly applies to you: Better to sit there and let everyone think your stupid then to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Keep up the good fight there Hibby
There's and old saying that directly applies to you: Better to sit there and let everyone think your stupid then to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Keep up the good fight there Hibby
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Perhaps you should pay more attention to that old saying you quoted. It might help your credibility.
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EXACTLY! Why is it fair to say that in order to work at a place that you MUST join the union. I hate unions and everything to do with them, yet I still have to pay 25 bucks a month to a union that has never done anything for me nor will it ever. In fact I have not talked to anyone from the union the entire time ive been there or even seen any of them.
So why cant I have the option not to join? I dont see how its fair for them to mandate it yet government cant have a say in unions. Its crap
And by the way, unions are a major contributor to the down fall of the auto industry in Detroit. People making 75 bucks an hour for putting a screw in on the assembly line and if they didnt agree to these terms then all the workers will strike and the plant will no longer have any production so the companies had no choice but to agree with the terms. And in order for workers to make those wages they had to increase the price of their products and now the Japs do it for cheaper and make a cheaper product so people will now buy a Toyota because its cheaper than a car made with union supplied parts. So the auto companies had no choice but to lay people off.
Theres a quote that goes something like this "Unionized workplaces are the first step to communism" And that story is just one of the few that proves it.
So why cant I have the option not to join? I dont see how its fair for them to mandate it yet government cant have a say in unions. Its crap
And by the way, unions are a major contributor to the down fall of the auto industry in Detroit. People making 75 bucks an hour for putting a screw in on the assembly line and if they didnt agree to these terms then all the workers will strike and the plant will no longer have any production so the companies had no choice but to agree with the terms. And in order for workers to make those wages they had to increase the price of their products and now the Japs do it for cheaper and make a cheaper product so people will now buy a Toyota because its cheaper than a car made with union supplied parts. So the auto companies had no choice but to lay people off.
Theres a quote that goes something like this "Unionized workplaces are the first step to communism" And that story is just one of the few that proves it.
Drick you really need to do some research instead of spewing right wing talking points.
The guys at the Big 3 are not making $75 an hour. That number is derived from taking the total outlay if salaries and benefits and dividing by the number of ACTIVE employees. Included are retiree's benefits as well.
Toyota for example has not made cars in the US for over a hundred years. They have very few retired employees by comparison. This makes for a huge difference in their legacy costs. Salary and benefits for the Union guys vs the imports is very comparable for active employees.
New hires start at around $14 an hour plus benefits. That is a far cry from the $75 an hour you claim!
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I think Mitch is pissed because he got one of those bad teachers
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I love the people preaching for smaller government by saying "government should have no choice in this matter, they should have no say in unions or what people make. And they make more than we do and should have a salary cut"
How many of you saying this stuff voted the Obama administration into office? Because thats exactly what he is all about. Bigger government.
He put a pay raise in many sections of the government. The amount of people making over 100 grand a year nearly doubled in the year 2009 from the previous year. And that is true, I have the article somewhere but it has been awhile since it was wrote in USA today. So I probably cant find it.
So if you want smaller government then you better quit voting communism big government candidates into office.
It just proves it by Obamacare. There is Obama stepping in to tell everyone what we need, thats a sign of communism. Stepping in and telling someone what they MUST do or there will be fines and penalties.
I dont know about you but I dont like government stepping in to tell me what I NEED to do and what they think is right for me. And this is why I do not vote for communistic presidents like Obama. So if you in fact voted for him and you are in here complaining about how government is to big and makes to much money, shouldn't have a say in this or a say in that. Then you can thank yourself for this, because you had a hand in voting exactly that into office. Just take a look at the EPA's budget as an example. One of the first things Obama did when he took office was change their budget from roughly 7 billion a year to 10 billion a year. Now what changed in this period in time where the EPA needs another 3 billion a year? He also doubled the ammount of close government employees making 100 grand a year. And by close I mean ones in DC not ones that are working for the post office. All the while only increasing the pay scale of the Military by 1%. He is all about himself and his friends in making it big. He has done nothing but spend more money on things we dont need while making his buddys more rich. And his anti Military personality pisses me off. IMO it should be a requirment that you serve in the Military before you can become President. Why would we give you control of the most powerfull Military in the entire world if you yourself has no actual experience in it?
Im not saying McCain would have been any better but dont you think its about time that we as Americans came to agreement on something and voted a small independent into office?
How many of you saying this stuff voted the Obama administration into office? Because thats exactly what he is all about. Bigger government.
He put a pay raise in many sections of the government. The amount of people making over 100 grand a year nearly doubled in the year 2009 from the previous year. And that is true, I have the article somewhere but it has been awhile since it was wrote in USA today. So I probably cant find it.
So if you want smaller government then you better quit voting communism big government candidates into office.
It just proves it by Obamacare. There is Obama stepping in to tell everyone what we need, thats a sign of communism. Stepping in and telling someone what they MUST do or there will be fines and penalties.
I dont know about you but I dont like government stepping in to tell me what I NEED to do and what they think is right for me. And this is why I do not vote for communistic presidents like Obama. So if you in fact voted for him and you are in here complaining about how government is to big and makes to much money, shouldn't have a say in this or a say in that. Then you can thank yourself for this, because you had a hand in voting exactly that into office. Just take a look at the EPA's budget as an example. One of the first things Obama did when he took office was change their budget from roughly 7 billion a year to 10 billion a year. Now what changed in this period in time where the EPA needs another 3 billion a year? He also doubled the ammount of close government employees making 100 grand a year. And by close I mean ones in DC not ones that are working for the post office. All the while only increasing the pay scale of the Military by 1%. He is all about himself and his friends in making it big. He has done nothing but spend more money on things we dont need while making his buddys more rich. And his anti Military personality pisses me off. IMO it should be a requirment that you serve in the Military before you can become President. Why would we give you control of the most powerfull Military in the entire world if you yourself has no actual experience in it?
Im not saying McCain would have been any better but dont you think its about time that we as Americans came to agreement on something and voted a small independent into office?
We all have read about the great war hero George W. Bush!
Obama is certainly not a Communist. Now I will yell you that the GOP is being pushed toward a Fascist group that wants an Oligarchy. Their long-term goal is to destroy the middle class. They want a small group with all of the power and money and the rest of us can beg for scraps!
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Exactly....NEW HIRE. Not the ones that have been there forever.
The thing that I find funny and very ironic is how you complain about big government having power to stop unions and power to regulate who can do what. But yet you voted and support the current administration that we have that is all about big government.
You talk about the GOP like they are trying to ruin America. Yet where have they ruined America? We can look at Obama tho. Obama care, school lunch control. Those are just two of the many things that Obama has put in to America in his time in office. And the GOP is trying to ruin America
And no where did I say that George Bush is a war hero. But I think he has a much better say in how the Military operates since he HAS ACTUALLY SERVED. Heres an example, they are not going to make an art history major the head engineer of Ford motor company are they? No because he would have no idea what he is talking about it the matter.
The thing that I find funny and very ironic is how you complain about big government having power to stop unions and power to regulate who can do what. But yet you voted and support the current administration that we have that is all about big government.
You talk about the GOP like they are trying to ruin America. Yet where have they ruined America? We can look at Obama tho. Obama care, school lunch control. Those are just two of the many things that Obama has put in to America in his time in office. And the GOP is trying to ruin America
And no where did I say that George Bush is a war hero. But I think he has a much better say in how the Military operates since he HAS ACTUALLY SERVED. Heres an example, they are not going to make an art history major the head engineer of Ford motor company are they? No because he would have no idea what he is talking about it the matter.
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The Firefighter and Police Unions Bought Advertisement Supporting Walker. The Union Leaders were IN the advertisements. They contributed Money to his Campaign. The group Officially Endorsed Walker!
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/105355568.html
This isn't "what main stream Media is telling me", this is as Fact.
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/105355568.html
This isn't "what main stream Media is telling me", this is as Fact.
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From the Fact source you provided :
Members from the Milwaukee Firefighters Union and Police Association
http://www.iafflocals.com/
You are still trying to make it sound as if the entire state's fire & police departments are a single union, backing a politician in return for special treatment.
Just end this farce by clarifying, 1 union local supported the politician, of the 15 locals in IAFF in the state. All others are either in a different union, or not union at all.
Again, this is a union that is bared from a strike, and has little teeth in the way of collective bargaining process, unlike teachers and other state workers that can hold the taxpayers hostage.
The police association, if you take this direct from the text, this is not a union.
The URL later states :
Mark Buetow with the Milwaukee Police Union agrees. Both blame Barrett.
So if the candidate support and the radio issue are both the actual union, why would it not be written that way ?
.......<snip>.......The budget shows where the Money has been going, It's the 2009 to 2011 Budget. It also talks about the misses and deficit's expected going forward... The budget clearly demonstrates what a small portion Education Is in overall... The 2012 plan obviously isn't out yet. You guys are funny.
IL is on the point of the state worker pension is going to be more than half of the tax revenues in the very near future ( could be 5 could be 10, I forget The Economist ran the article, mentioning CA & IL as the states in this mess ).
My county could be 72% to education, where the state is ( just to pick a low number ) 40%. The other state unions, that are the target of this "****" union busting crap ( post # 24 ) contribute to the same mess of paying out too much of the state's income.
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