Again the union is willing to accept concessions but not dissolution of their union.

Without unions, the state could do whatever they want to individual teachers without regard to right and wrong. If the state wants to pay $7 an hour, so be it.

This is purely a power grab here and is another step toward dissolving all unions.

 

So it's a power grab if the PEOPLE- who are paying the bills are doing it, but it isn't a power grab if the union is extorting money from the people? Okey-dokey.

 

If you are paying attention, you know this isn't true. They would still have the ability to negotiate their salary. What they would not have any longer is the ability to negotiate the perks that pad their salary. The state, like most other states in our republic, cannot continue to offer perks it cannot afford.

 

This is a fox affiliate ( not Fox news ) where 2 reporters claimed the local affiliate was doing something wrong.
This is not the Fox news channel that I mentioned with the whitehouse press.

Depends on the hospital. Cook county, I am sure. Elmhurst, I would say no.
Cook county with medical malpractice, I would guess they might have to self insure. Insurance carriers stay away from Cook County in general, the hospital there I am sure is a lightning rod for lawsuits ( not due to bad doctors, but more so what can I get mentality from the clients )

Yes the MCD suit was very bad for future cases, but all the same it stands as a high water mark for stupidity.
Question on the 100K limit, is this punitive or compensatory damages.

I cannot find a law stating 100K limit for either. I see where there are state limits for punitive damages, based upon a multiple of the compensatory damages ( to stop the MCD type cases from happening again )

compensatory damages in the example above would be huge, and some states have a 2.5x or 250K limit to the punitive damages ( so in that it would be 250K of "pain and suffering "

Back to the topic at hand :
So there is no indication of what the state unions are willing to do for concessions. They might have acknowledged that something needs to be done, but no indication if they are going to accept the concessions
I see claims of they willing to accept concessions, but no actual fact of this, or what the specific concessions are.

IL is going to keep running down the same road until they turn into Orange County. The CDR rate is already higher than Portugal & New York, and slightly better than CA & Ireland's CDR rate.
Wait and see how temporary the 66% increase in state income tax is going to be, expect it to be temporary until the next increase.
The state has already said the 2% spending increase cap ( else the tax increase is canceled ) and 66% tax increase will not cover the increase in pension & health care costs ( state union workers ), so they are going to be cutting other services.

IL & CA are the poster children for what goes wrong when politicians are backed by unions.

The Economist article on the states' gold plated burden
http://www.economist.com/node/17248984

The IL state union pension funds will be dry by 2018 at the rate the pension pay out is increasing, and without any additional burden placed on the employee. As of 2008, the pension had an unfunded liability of over $ 70B.
CA is just as bad, with over 9,000 people on the pension making over 100K per year.

WI on the other hand is trying to fix what is broken ( without increasing state taxes with 'temporary' measures that do not include spending cuts, but able to spend 2% more than 2010 ).

WI general employees and teachers only contribute 5% of their annual salary to the pension, but get paid out at the higher of :
- a formula benefit based on your years of service and highest three years of earnings; or
- a money-purchase benefit based on the accumulation in your employee-required retirement account plus a 100% match from the WRS employer reserve.
{ Source, state of WI : http://www.wisconsin.edu/hr/benefits/retsav/wrs.htm }

WI government knows the pension system is OK today, but without them contributing a lot more in the future ( read as raising taxes with decreased service to tax payers ) the system will not run on its own for very long.

The problem that is reported on ( by sources not worried about insulting 1 political party's largest backers ) is the train wreck waiting for the state on the topic of pensions and health care to those on the pension system

What would your boss do if you walked into his office, told them you want a 66% pay increase, and are going to work 35 hours instead of 40 hours ?

How do you feel about paying 66% more to get less, just so the union can keep at what they are doing. I have not seen 1 fact on any concession that any union is willing to give ( WI, IL, etc )
I see comments about pay cuts, but all this does in WI's case is reduce the amount of cash going into the pension system ( that 5% is of what they make per year, and the payout is the from the highest 3 years ).
What does that do for the reason they want to stop collective bargaining ? Not 1 thing.

Don't be ridiculous about the state paying teachers less than the federal dept of labor min wage ( or the state if they increase it ).

 

It's been obvious for some time...Mac 'n Cheese been overcooked and his brain is a wet noodle.

 

I know reading facts that disagree with your opinion is not your strong suit, but read it again.

The fully loaded cost of making a car is 75.00 per hour, that includes the person on the line, and paying for the guy(s) that were in that position before the person doing the work.

The URL you provided only had 2 unions. Why would you disagree with 4 now ?

You seem to have lost your inside info on the union dealing with the gov, considering your fact was he chose to leave them out in turn for supporting him.

 

Post #93.

Now, you show me where he is lying.

 

How about a break from the discussion.

An entertaining look at the situation, with a couple statistics for good measure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcDnK...mbedded#at=108

 

You Wisconsin dems ready for this?

There are 19 repubs and 14 dems in the state senate. A quorum of 20 is only required to vote on bills that involve finance. Guess what the senate is going to do today (Tuesday)?

Yep - start passing every bill they can write that they can legally vote on. Betcha that gets all the dems back from Illinois REAL quick..........

 

That's alright guys, she must like me, she really really likes me!!

 

I didn't answer because I'm not retired and actually had to go to work, to which I did not see that post until this morning. The only thing that I could see was maybe using a comma after the parentheses, other than that it looks gooood.

 

In your dreams.

Come on, even a Junior High graduate should be able to see the error.

 

Cool she's back on! Hey teach, you are going to go back and grade everybody else's paper aren't you?

 

In my nightmares!

 

OK.. How about we concede that you know more about grammar ?

You might not understand smart phone browsers, but that is OK too, it is off topic.

Everyone good with this, so the intelligent conversation can continue ?