How many times does this have to be said? INCORRECT.

ALL he wants to do is disallow collective bargaining for BENEFITS - i.e. health care and pension. Good grief! Most "public" unions aren't allowed collective bargaining for ANYTHING.

 

Indiana Dems are now pulling the same tactic. This is going to backfire and the Dem party will lose backing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110222/...mocrats_unions

 

Of course did you all see the newest think in Walker's People's Republik of Wiskonsin??

Between Monday and Tuesday they blocked the website defendwisconsin.org which is a pro-union website. Hmmm....Sounds a bit like China there.

At least their legislatures were able to escape to the sane state of ILLINOIS and they can enjoy our freedoms!!!

 

Sending Jack Kevorkian as consultant. Might do us and you a favor.

 

They did?

Yes, some of the state senators were able to walk away from the job they were elected to do. I guess they were able to enjoy "your" freedoms. However at the same time they are refusing to represent their constituients. They aren't even standing up for the people who agree with and support them. If their feelings are so strong on this issue they should be at work in the legislature, hashing it out, the way that laws have passed or failed for a couple centuries. Instead, they are advocating for a democracy. They are inviting mob rule.

 

If they go back, there is no hashing anything out. The Gov has his troops in order and the Repubs will all vote in unison to pass his proposal to kill the unions and there is nothing they can do. This way, they can't vote on the measure.

It is called working within the rules available. The Repubs thought it was ok for them to filibuster every vote in the Senate until the tax cuts were passed.

It is fine if it works for the Repubs but not if it works against them. You can bet the Repubs would have done the same if the rules dictated.

 

The hosting company ( DREAMHOST.COM ) seems to be having an issue with their network, it reaches the host 66.33.201.221 and then no other host is ID'd in the trace route. Increased the hop count to 200, and it just keeps going ( without ID'ing the hosts ) until the max hops of 200 is reached.
When using a different entrance into the DREAMHOST.COM network ( 66.33.201.114 instead of 66.33.201.221 ) same thing happens, trace runs until the max hops and then ends ( same symptoms as the other network entrance to DREAMHOST.COM ).

This looks to be a routing loop in the DREAMHOST.COM network.

Maybe the state blocked access to it from the state network ( same as your network at work blocking sites they don't want you on from work ), but the state of WI does not have the ability to block a web site like China does. There are too many peering points in and out of WI, that are not under the control of the government ( state or federal ).

Looks like the general media is having the same issue, and rather then ask someone that knows to check it, they blame the state of WI.
They do not understand peering points not under the control of the state or federal government nor that networks can have issues.

Good thing Fox affiliates are the only ones that report false information......

The general media are fine upstanding people that would never have a knee jerk reaction to something ( or stoop to inaccurate reporting ) just to make the governor of WI look bad....

Sane???
What freedoms are they not enjoying in WI ? You make it sounds as if they are being herded into ghettos....
The politicians that are hiding in IL are not offering to change the contribution amounts they get to help in the budget issue.
Politicians the contribute 3.2 % compared to the teacher's 5% contribution and the state contributes 8.7% to the politician's pension, vs the states contribution to the teachers at 6%.

Nope, no help from the ones hiding here, just IL helping them make a mockery of the process that they were elected to by the people.
Sure the general media will not show 1 person in their district asking why they are not at work, they are getting paid.

And ask the same question again, Sane ? IL, sane ?
Not here, increase the state income tax by 66%, and put in place a 2% spending cap over FY 2010.
Even with the state income tax hike and the 2% spending increase, they cannot get everything done, so they have already planned on cutting services.

All this, and there is over $ 8B in past due bills waiting to get paid ( and no money to pay them ) as of last week. This is not an annual budget short fall, this is the current past due bills waiting to get paid ( makes WI look down right responsible for nipping this problem in the bud, or at least trying less the run away state senators )

 

Lady Fitzgerald, I couldnt agree with you more!!!
My Mother inlaw was a teacher for 23 years and my wife 6 years, they both moved to the janitorial department, because they make more money with the same benefits! The best thing of all is that they actually get some respect now and dont have to deal with the ******* parents that think teachers dont work hard! some of these posters have no clue!!!!!

 

Yes I know IL's finances are a mess. I was being a bit sarcastic. Of course the biggest problem IL had was Blago and the face he swept all the crap under the rug for so long. Once he was gone, the Pandora's box opened up and we really knew what was going on.

If these legislatures come back, they have no power as the Repubs can pass whatever they want there and no one can stop them. This governor is on a power trip and wants to look like a conservative hero. I am sure he has his eyes on the White House too now that he has notoriety.

The union has agreed to all of the cuts he wants to make but wants to keep the union available to negotiate benefits and wages going forward. He wants to squash out the unions. This isn't about the budget. He stated the reasoning behind this is because future negotiations cost money and he just wants to eliminate it.

 

Our teachers on Feb. 18th a Friday all called in sick and went to Madison to protest against Walker. They had to close school because they couldn't find enough sub's to fill the teacher's spots. Then the same day they where protesting on our city streets. Now how are the parents suppose to find daycare in less of an hours notice to whatch there kids? Our teachers have to good and do not realize it.

 

Some of us actually do have a clue. What's going on in Wi. is about benefits, not pay, in a unionized system payed for by the taxpayers of a state that has an enormous budget shortfall, and it's not exclusive to just the teachers of that state. Not everyone out there protesting is a teacher.

And since teachers keep getting mentioned in this thread, it's different from state to state, county to county, the average teacher in R.I. for example makes $75k a year with all the benefits that go with the job, all payed for by the taxpayer. Maybe not the "good" life, but a decent one at best. And that's not even based on performance, though that can be dicey since you really do have to factor the parents and students into that equation as well. And that's not to say they don't deserve, I don't think anyone here is really saying that, at least I'm not.

The thing that sucks the most, in Wisconsin anyway (don't know how it is everywhere else), is that the taxpayers there will have to bow to the union demands for better or increased benefits at some time, and you know they never vote for a decrease, and the taxpayers will have to pay for it without even really getting a say so in what happens.

Unions should not be allowed to put a strangle hold on the american taxpayer like that, period. When it comes to taxpayer money and unions, the two should not be mixed. Screw unions!

 

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Uh oh, now this Wisconsin thing is starting to spill over into other states. Just saw a news report where yesterday in the state I live in, the state union pukes marched to the state house to protest the what the governor of Wisconsin is doing. This has nothing to do with what goes on in my state, yet they're are wasting taxpayer money by going down to the state house to protest what's going on in Wisconsin instead of doing their jobs in this state. It's starting to get ridiculous. Again, screw the unions. If you don't like the pay or benefits, find another job. I know, I know, that's a hard thing to do in todays economy.

 

Missed that, sorry about that. The text vs speech thing on my part.
You are correct, Pandora's box is open now, but the only thing I see going on is spilling gas on the fire to see if that will help it.
No way Quinn will ask for any cuts, but when the state has to enact temporary income tax increases, and actually has the guts to say there is a spending increase cap, something is wrong. Pay more, get less is what is happening now, and the only thing I see him doing ( that gets print ) is wanting to consolidate school districts so they are paying 200 less people ( the 200 superintendents that would be out of a job ), no other economy of scale, like merging companies would have.

Welcome to the way the democratic process works.
Good bad or indifferent, this is how it works.
Running away from it, does not change how it works, it just makes a mockery of it. Why do the politicians that run away still get paid ( and the contributions to their pension continue ) ?
Is WI going to just shut down the state legislature until the next election ?
The voting from the people of the state of WI elected the politicians to represent them, not hid from their job.

I keep seeing this, but where is it a fact that they did.
The clip above, if the guy in the video is actually a union member, according to him they are willing to talk about the concessions.

According to STATE SEN. LENA TAYLOR, D-WIS they have already taken all the concessions, but I am not too sure reading the transcript that she has a clue about what is going on, her main point seemed to be ( read my opinion ) to get to the point of comparing Egypt to the state of WI.

The state of WI should change all state unions to be the same as the Police & Fire, no strike ability and it is per city, not state wide.

Look what happened, teachers wanted to protest, so all the schools in the state had to close, and the voters in the state were held hostage by this action.
If the ability to perform collective bargaining for benefits ( this is what they are after, not dissolution of the union as claimed ) is not removed what stops teachers from starting everything over again in 2 years and recoup everything that was given, even if the state cannot afford it ?
The state cannot get enough teachers to fill all the positions, so they are at the mercy of the union.

 

I get a bang out of how highly Union thugs perceive themselves. They represent a fraction of the working population in this country, yet to hear them talk you'd think that if it wasn't for them we'd all be living in caves and licking hot embers off rocks because we wouldn't have anything else to eat!

My first trip to Chicago as a young working man educated me very quickly on what a scam the whole Union thing was. I was setting up a trade show booth in McCormack Center and went to plug in the lights for our display signage. I was quickly admonished and told in no uncertain terms that only people from the electrical union were allowed to plug in lights within the facility!

A couple of "thicknecks" came by shortly thereafter, unplugged the lights I had just set up, plugged them in again, and handed me an invoice for $250.00 for "electrical services" -- from that point forward, I have held an extremely dim view of all things union.......