Reason, dang someone is using reason.. what the heck?

Thanks!

 

You have completely missed the point but I'm good with letting it drop.

 

Sorry, the point ( opinion ) I saw was where the content of a members post was to be discarded due to (minor ) grammar and spelling errors.

If there was another point, I am sorry for trivializing it or more so missing it all together.

In a GD thread, being off topic appears on the surface to be a way of life for a thread, so it is not a crime to be OT.

My point was more so, this being a "hot topic" thread that has not degraded into out and out name calling, personal attacks and the 'sure that is the way you think, you are a XYZ political party supporter'.

This thread is approaching ( if not there already ) a record number of participants and replies without being locked ( Heck it even surpassed Rockpick's 2 threads on doing electrical work on his truck ).

Disclaimer: sorry if I butchered any pro-forms in the above post, I have a tendency to do that from time to time, and I would not want the message to be lost due to slightly advanced grammar misuse.
I type faster than I can correct myself and I am letting my public education show.
Must have been due to the teacher's strike when I was in primary school, it was ~ 2 weeks that really made a mess of my entire education.

 

Generally speaking people who dismiss someone’s entire argument on a internet forum just because it has a misspelled word or some other trivial grammatical error in it usually only do it because they don't have a good counterpoint or have been proven wrong.

 

The savings ( if the post a few pages back is correct, I have not verified it ) of 30 M over the 137 M deficit would make ~ 20% savings of that short fall.
Is this just the teachers or is this if all state workers get the 'same' ?

The 300 M against the 3.6 B ( 3.1 3.8, see numbers all over the 3.n B range in articles ) is this using straight line math ? ( does not seem to be, but that is my opinion )

I cannot find what the short term 30 M against the 137 M would make the long term deficit look like. Trying to get at, if you start cutting costs today, what is the actual long term impact ( is it really only 300M ) ?

The other part I cannot confirm, is the 30M only for the teachers or is this for all state workers ( appears on the surface to be teachers only, but again cannot find a source that says 1 way or the other ).

The youtube video does contradict the state of WI's pension contribution number for teachers ( at 2:12 the text over the video has a < 1% number, and the state's web site for pension calculation shows 5% ).

I do applaud the states politicians for taking a 137 M current budget deficit short fall this serious. The 3.n B projection there is a question on 1B of it due to tax concessions for companies relocating to WI, that part of the blame is being placed upon.
Long term, TIFs and other tax concessions are a good idea, but if you do not have the windfall tax revenues to support them, the question about is it smart needs to be asked.
Not sure how the long term contract on a TIF works, if they leave the state prior to the start of tax collection, do they owe back taxes and interest.

IL at the moment has $8B in past due bills. This is not an annual budget deficit, just what the AP department has sitting on the desk, that the check book is empty for.

I did find a Washington Post article 'the budget short falls are not caused by the union pension' due to there not being any change. Does not matter that the pension as it has been running was not sustainable, the blame seemed to be other causes, other than WI, not mentioned.

The part I found interesting is the person in the clip ( was he a union member or not, and if so was it the teacher's union ) admitting that concessions need to be made, and they are willing to talk about them.

Also, did I miss something in Germany in the mid to late 1930's ? Thought the **** part outlawed other political parties first ?
They has to do this, so there was no opposition so the group could pass further measures without a group saying 'that is not right'.
This from a teacher......

Another interview with a state politician ( STATE SEN. LENA TAYLOR, D-WIS. ) has the concessions have already been made by the teachers union ( prior to the bill ) and after the introduction of the bill by the correction officers and the municipality and the local workers ( unsure if this means a union or not, the word was not used ).

This was from a rush transcription, and they make note that is subject to change.

So the possibility of contradictions on the concessions from the 'same side' of the fence is out there.

The other question, is if the other department ( unions ) made concessions, what does that do to the short term and long term budget deficit ?

The 3.n B short fall, if the article from the WP is correct, 2.n B of it is due to on going operating costs, and 1B due to tax incentives to relocating business. These, in my opinion, are going to become a coveted item to have in the near future and states will start to do stupid things to get them now, in hopes it will help in later fiscal years.
If WI can bridge the 1B gap, how quick can they recover from it, once the TIFs expire and come out the other side in 5 years with a state that operates off what it takes in ( in my opinion that is where the group is trying to get to, and there is quite a bit of off roading going on, so it will be bumpy to say the least ).

IL is going to have business as usual, so I expect the 66% state tax increase to become permanent in 3 to 4 years ( before the temp status expires ), and another temporary increase to come up with the same lame 2% spending increase.

Like it or not, WI is not wanting to go 'Orange county' and leave pensions to the federal gov to support. If the projections are correct on the state pensions, there are going to be more than a handful that might be forced to default on them, and pitch them to the feds ( not sure if they can do this, do not recall a reason why they cannot ).

 

In case there is still a question on the validity of the high county percentage .....
Just found this online, it is from the pamphlet that is included with the tax bill



I was trying to find the one I got with my TY 2009 bill, it is filled some where, and I did not spend a lot of time to find it this weekend. It was much quicker ( and easier for the lazy in me ) to do a Google search on the county's web site and pull the gif.

 

Exactly! Others would rather chastise you for it than stay on topic becaauuse:

And to that I say thank you SSCULLY and harleydude! And sorry that my grammatical errors caused this thread to go astray.

Now, can we get back on topic! Probably not

 

Hey that looks familiar. Though it does surpass what the county I live in spends on education. Uh oh, I probably didn't phrase that right did I?

 

Answered your own question, didn't you ?

OK, you have 1 more, and then ( or is it than ) it will loose the funny

Sorry could not resist.... GUILTY I SAY THEE, 5 min in the box for me....

Forgive me father for I have sinned, it has been 35 years since last I walked into a church......

Ok, back to the regular scheduled thread for me

And do not laugh at this, else you will just encourage this type of behavior to continue....

 

Okay, here's the one more for me. Watch out, I see something in your quote that will make the spelling police come after you.

 

The thing that is missed here is that the teachers are willing to accept their concessions but this governor is just saying my way or now way. He wants to get the union out completely. The teachers are saying, we'll accept the cuts but the union stays. There have been offers to pull the union for 2 years and then come back. Still he is refusing to budge.

We spend a lot on education but it is cheaper to educate than incarcerate.

Again, I have no problem with making cuts as necessary BUT lets see this governor and the legislatures cut their benefits too!

 

Yes, I see it now. I was thinking about the loose nut behind the keyboard that was typing that post.

They will need to track down and beat the F150online Administrator with the wet, poor education noodle as well...

https://www.f150online.com/forums/3987921-post33.html

BTW : You have no idea how much is costs to have a post like that made

I know, I know back to the box for me, 10 min this time.
Obviously I did not put enough in the St Paul collection box, as well as the newspaper contribution box, it did not take the last time...

 

Where is it they are willing to accept the concessions ?
I see contradictory information where they are willing to discuss the concessions ( if the guy in the clip is really a teacher from the union that knows ) and from the state rep, they have already taken them ( if she actually knows for a fact about this ).

While this maybe true, there is no way to prove if the education is reducing the incarcerate rate. It can be Inductive reasoning to say this, but to state this as a fact is very hard to do.

Good point, the WI state URL above shows the Executives pay into the pension at a rate of 3.2%.
I also Don't recall STATE SEN. LENA TAYLOR, D-WIS mentioning this as an alternative ( addition ) to the budget plan. Maybe this should be something that is talked about, rather then the **** comments and comparing Egypt to the state Unions.

BTW : Thank you, back on track !!!

 

That's the one thing that both sides of the aisle will aways agree on, their own money

 

Good article here about the glaring difference between how the media is covering this vs how they cover Tea Party Rallies.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-no...ouble-standard

Look at those Hitler and "Crosshair" signs! Workers of the world unite!