Yeah, I worked my butt off but the darned thing came back...and brought company.

 

No it isn't -- because I'm not a member of the NRA!

I will agree with you though -- the NRA does take a similar approach to some things.

Wow -- I never thought I'd agree with you on ANYTHING.....

 

Let me ask you this? What kind of education do you and your wife have?

If you take the time to get a bachelors and/or a masters degree you are spending big bucks to get it, a lot of time where those that aren't educated are able to earn a salary, and all of the work to get the degree. Shouldn't you get something for your investment?

Plus it kills me to hear people complaining about taxes. We are taxed at a lower rate today than any time in the last 50 years. Half of everyone pays ZERO taxes! If you make as little as you claim, then I doubt you pay any taxes either.

Yes my nuke joke was a little over the top but every time they speak of outlawing some automatic weapon or what not the NRA is up in arms. The anti gun people are just as idiotic. God forbid some one be sane and come up with a reasonable middle ground.

 

Damn wittom, you really started something with this one didn't you?

Hey HIBBS, you know this to be fact? Got a personal line to the gov. of Wis.? Kind of a bold statement, don't you think? How in the H to the E to the double hockey sticks do you know which unions he liked or disliked?

And why not? It was the government that decided how to spend our money to save a union. Remember the GM and Chrysler bailout? Who do you think benefited from that? (I would say benefited the most, but who knows how much the CEO's and head honchos got outta that) The folks that belong to the UAW, which was one of the reasons GM and Chrysler got into such financial trouble to begin with. Both companies kept bowing down to the union's demands for better pay, pensions and benefits.... well, that and an over inflated line of different makes, models and probably a few other things. I saw a report on the news a week ago that GM is giving out 200 million in bonuses, which works out to $4000 per factory worker. I'd like to make a $4000 bonus for making such a crappy product! If they were making a product that warranted such a bonus in the 1st place, sales should've been sky rocketing to which they would't have been such dire financial need. Should have just let both companies fold, would have been by their doing anyway. Maybe I should join a union somewhere. Unions suck, period. They only care about the few and not what they do to the rest of the country.

Makes me glad I'm a Ford guy,(off subject) they had the painful task of cutting back, eliminating models and a whole division, and laying off, what, 4000 workers I think, and took a lot heat for it. Where are they now 5 years later? Selling the #1 vehicle in quality in the world (unless they're still 2nd to toyota), and recording billion dollar profits, all this without bowing to union demands or taking one single dime of taxpayer money. Screw the unions!

 

Anybody see what's been happening in the great state of Rhode Island? Bunch of teachers there got fired for poor performance, I think only 7 to 9% of students were passing math comprehension skills and like only 50% were graduating period, though I could be wrong about that second part, some one correct me if I'm wrong. Well they just hired a bunch of those teachers back, with some concessions of course, but with a pay raise to boot! Again, another case of being rewarded for screwing up. If I remember back to my school days
though, I would have to say that some of the parents and students need to take some of the blame for that as well (not my parents though, they were good eggs )

I'll have to find the link to the news story and post it up.

 

As far as the vehicles GM churns out...the guys can only build what they are given. Crap in crap out. The factory workers don't design the vehicles.

Ford would have been in the same shape as GM except they secured some loans right before all the crap hit the fan. They also have a few better vehicles too but they are still made with the help of the UAW!

At ther end of the day it, most of the whining about the unions sounds like sour grapes and instead of trashing the guys for what they get, maybe you should have joined a union??

You have the audacity to bitch about what a union guy makes, how about what the VPs make or the CEOs? Talk about bloated...plus they walk with golden parachutes even when they suck out loud!

Same thing with the schools...what do you expect from teachers? A bunch of their students are kids of illegals and don't speak English. A bunch are little gangsters. A bunch don't give a damn and don't want to be there.

At the end of the day put the blame where it belongs...the parents! You can't polish a turd!

 

Not sour grapes at all. If unions have got a good thing, more power to you. It's at the expense of everyone else though. See, in the private sector we have to climb a ladder. Unions force consumers and taxpayers to pony up the cash for them to build an elevator for their members.

You're right, you can't polish a turd. Why do progressive keep trying?

 

Of course you can polish a turd. Just bake it to dry it thoroughly, saturate it with a thinned coat of acrylic or resin, lit it cure, then give it a few more coats of acrylic or resin. Buff it with a cloth wheel, apply wax, then buff again to a high gloss.

Not sure why you would want to polish a turd, though.

 

Hey K-Mac, I have glanced at some of your posts and threads you've spouted out your blowhole and this one just confirms what I have thought all along, that your are basically a childish butt head who who doesn't pay attention in class, there by, making you an uninformed liberal like the rest of them out there.

Case in point:

and

So as you can see, right there in black and white, I do mention the CEOs as well as the parents and students.

As for the loans Ford got, I don't know the exact details in that area, so I won't presume to know everything there is about it (unlike you) other than the fact that they did not take billions in taxpayer money to stay afloat. Not sure what your point is there, but you sure didn't understand mine.

As for the "crap" comment, you obviously blame poor materials and design and not poor craftsmanship and that's fine. Who makes the materials and designs the vehicles though? If I am wrong, than so be it, but don't they belong to the UAW in the GM and Chrysler divisions as well? Look they're all in it together and who's to say it wasn't poor craftsmanship anyway, you? Well, not me either, so maybe I did step over the bounds a little there, sorry. Again not sure what your point is.

As for unions, no I would never belong to one. There was some good as well as reason to them when they were first created, and that was to protect the american worker in certain industries. Problem with them today is, they've gotten too big and too greedy and they are bringing this country down with them, kinda like the government. Don't get me wrong about the government, it is probably the best system we can live with in the world today, so I will knock it only so much, we just need to fix it. Oh and that of course is just my opinion which I forgot to put in my earlier post, my apologies.

You trash me, I trash you

 

 

You've got a good point there. A lot of the ones who are here legally speak their native language in the homes so that is what the kids learn. Then they wind up in the schools with poor to no English skills and the teachers have to waste their and the other students time teaching them.

When my kids were in grade school (back in the '80s), the school district borders changed and my kids were moved to a bilingual school. We thought that was cool at first because they would get to learn a second language but when we compared our kids' progress with their former classmates who weren't redistricted, we found our kids were falling way behind. Add to that many of the kids in the bilingual schools were a bunch of little hooligans, we yanked our kids out and out them back in their former school. It took some fast talking but it was worth it.

I worked with a young lady before I retired for keeps. She spoke fluent English (and was a citizen) but her husband spoke very little English so Spanish was spoken in the home. She felt her little girl would learn English when she started school but we managed to convince her that the child would do so much better if she already spoke English by the time she hit school so she convinced her husband to start speaking more English in the home.

 

Because there are so many ultra right wingers out there of course. Sooner or later one will take a shine.

just messin' with you Wit... !!!!

 

Mitch,

Why doesn't the Bill include the Firefighters, and the Police? Their budgets are being reviewed. Their pensions and Health Care Plans are just as good, if not Better than what the Teacher's have.

Maybe it's just a Coincedence that the Firefighters and Police Supported Mr. Walker in his latest election.

Yes, these are FACTS.

http://host.madison.com/news/state_a...ac7a85cf6.html

Republican Gov. Scott Walker wants to make sure just about everyone who works for the government can't negotiate their working conditions _ except for local police, firefighters and state troopers.

Walker has introduced a bill that would strip public employees across the board _ from teachers to snowplow drivers _ of their right to collectively bargain for sick leave, vacation, even the hours they work. But absolutely nothing would change for local police, fire departments and the State Patrol.

 

The biggest losers here are the kids who are being taught by uncaring morons that are more concerned about their pocket than the kids. I've had my tussles with board members in the college district like the complete moron they put in charge of the engineering dept. That fool could not build a dog house but he was in charge of professionals that could build a new World Trade Center far better then the cheap crap that was there. But the student body never lost a day nor did any of the faculty call in sick. I think these creeps should have their teaching certificates revoked and maybe they'll understand what a cushy job they HAD when they have to get a REAL job. I think the kids deserve far more than the bucket of crap they're being handed.....and all for the sake of the buck. Yeah, those teachers are really dedicated

 

Mitch I agree with you that unions have in the past pushed it too hard but they aren't the sole reason these companies have crashed. The same way as public employees that are unionized aren't the reason for all of the problems facing local government.

Are there bad union workers? Yes. There are bad burger flippers too.

I do not believe that a government body or private employer should have the right to say no unions because it is in their best interest to do so. People should have the right to collectively bargain if they so choose and they know the good and bad in that.

I am a big supporter of the teachings of W. Edwards Deming. He was a quality control guru after WWII. The US companies didn't want to give him a listen so he took his talents to Japan and they've kicked our butts in quality ever since. Ford was the first US company to listen to this guy and are way ahead because of it.

You can Google his Red Beads experiment and understand it better. Good reading I promise.

My point with Ford and the loans is that all 3 of the Big 3 were bleeding money for 7 or 8 years and Ford just happened to secure some funding or they would have needed a hand out too. It wasn't due to significantly better products it was good planning/fortune for them.

Many of the components and supplies all come from the same sources spec'd to the company's request.

I doubt the head designers are part of the UAW as I would assume they are considered management. Could be wrong there.

Does everyone need to tighten their belt? Sure. How about these governors and legislatures foregoing their salaries/benefits instead of cutting things from the poor?