The ones you mention were among the ones I had in mind. Also, don't forget the Coptics.

 

Again, please don't lump all Christians with the narrow minded ones who presume they know how God will judge people (which I find to be curious because Jesus instructed us in Matt. 7:1-2 not to judge others). Today's Arabs are decendents of Ishmael, the banished son of Abraham, whom God promised would be the father of a great nation. How is God (Allah, whatever; they both have the same meaning in different languages and both are the God of Abraham) going to deal with that promise to Ishmael's descendants? I don't know and I don't care. That's between God and them. The Jews were, and still are, God's chosen people. How is God going to deal with them? Don't know and don't care. It's in God's hands.

 

Are you speaking just in generalities Pick-up Man? Or do you mean from a BAC point of view? I would agree with your quote if you are speaking just in generalities but I think the hardcore Born Again Christian's would agree it's really not that simple; There's some knocking on doors to do.
The word won't spread on its own.

What about the recruitment process? Isn't it one of the responsibilities of current members to try to bring new recruits into the cult, er, I mean club?
I thought I read that in order to be saved, you have to commit a certain amount of time constantly spreading the word to non-believers in order to get them to join? Don't they call it bearing witness or something?

 

Now there you go mixing those Mormon beliefs into Christianity. They will "bear witness" door to door. But everyone knows they aren't true Christians.

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Read the book of Thomas. You can find it online, it more or less puts a mans faith between himself and God. That is probabaly why it isn't in the official Cannon. A handfull og different manuscript have been found hidden in caves around the Dead Sea area, and they seem to concur as origionals.

The decendates of Ishmael have beecome a great nation. That one you can't argue with.

One inconsistantcy in The Holy Bible and The Noble Quran is, "Which Son was on the Alter to be sacrificed?" The two texts do not agree. To me the relavence of that would be important, but in no way changes my belief.

 

I recommended sitting down with a Protestant priest simply because Protestant's follow the Bible closer than most. Catholic's are far from being by-the-book Christians. They have altered so much of the Bible and fit it to their likeness, that much of what they say and do isn't supported by Christianity at all.
I was raised Methodist but right now I attend a Baptist church simply because I like the message the pastor has every week. He educates everyone straight from the Bible. Its like we're a 3rd grade class learning out of our spelling book. No BS, no false traditions, just straight knowledge from the Bible with no twists or added opinions. That is why I encourage you to walk in the front door of a Methodist, Baptist, or Presbyterian church and ask for the preacher to sit down and answer your questions. He will show you Biblical references for any question that you ask and do it with no strings attached if that's what you wish.

 

Right, I meant fundamentalists who think they are absolutely right and nobody else could ever possibly be and look down their noses at people who don't share their exact beliefs.

 

There's no committing to recruiting others, nothing at all that anyone has to do other than believe themselves.

 

That's exactly why those texts aren't "officially" part of the Cannon, like i said, in the dark ages, if people had been instructed that they don't need the church, there would have been total chaos.

 

So, what is your take on this believers' message to their followers.

Matthew 28:18-20

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Mark 16:15-18

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

Now, before any of you start grinding me that I am taking Biblical verses out of context, please click this link http://tobechristian.org/Chapter%20III-1-commission.htm where the quote above came from.

 

"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."


WTF! I've seen a so call "true" believer, like the one on the video, supposedly driving demons away speak in tongue placing their hands on sick people such as some one in a wheel chair and the patient getting "well" BUT, what about the "spiritual gift" of picking up a poisonous snake and drinking its poison? Now that would be a religious experience.
You know, come to think about it, I think that is the reason I haven't become a "true" believer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arFZuQQOKmQ&feature

 

Og I built that house they showed! Not for him though. That guy is a total SNAKE OIL SALESMAN!!!! He should only be used to measure how low a person can go!

 

People like Popov are a terrible fraud and have nothing to do with the church or real faith.

 

Nice! What city is that?

Yeah he is definitely what I've been talking about all along. The big problems lies on "true" believers defending people like this when they tell me, "just because 1 person took advantage of millions of people doesn't mean that all Christians are like that." What they fail to see is that 1 person like this exist by the hundreds http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/fo...e;topic=7701.0 if not by the thousands around the world hurting people by the millions. They not only hurt their followers financially, but physically, mentally, and, well history says it all.

"I'll never be broke again in my life" lol and the fools think he is talking about them.

 

To jgger, ^^^ see exactly what I'm talking about.