Well then who's going to put up money for the case of naturally occurring GW producers like volcanoes? Mother nature? Volcanoes have done more to this planet's climate than my tailpipe ever will. Today, yesterday, and tomorrow.

If someone will benefit financially from GW they will push it, and they will use any means necessary to do so and they are doing it. Like I said before if these agendas are pushed get ready to choose sides because there's a revolution a coming. Which side are you gonna pick?

 

If there's a "revolution" in this country I seriously doubt it will be over Environmental Issues. Either way. I'm well "prepared".

 

It won't be over "environmental issues", it'll be over the government enforcing bogus legislation and all that it would encompass.

 

I think the people are just Used to the Government doing things they don't agree with. What's the big deal. What are you afraid of? What do you think the Government's going to do that's bad enough to cause a "revolution." Put a solar panel on your house??

 

I'm not afraid of anything, I'm just saying. At some point the people get fed up with "the man" and it's happened before.

As for the solar panel, I have no qualms in doing so. If I had the money I'd have a self sustaining house, just don't call it green.

 

And exactly where is this data from the last several thousand years? I don't think the weather channel has been around that long.

 

How about killing our economy, making us incapable of competing against China in the world market, stifling technological progress, etc.... That's what this is about. This isn't just about forcing us to use expensive, and so far inadequate, alternative power. A lot of people in the 3rd world are hurt by the restrictions put on them, by Evironmental wackos that have the power to so. How are poor nations to improve their lot if they can't use the most economical sources of energy to fuel their development?


You should do a little more than just skim through the film provided; because, you obviously don't already know and understand the information provided.

 

The thousands of years of Data come from Ice Core Samples as well as other means. The data's there.. (scroll back for more details or read the report yourself)

You should do a little more than just skim through the film provided; because, you obviously don't already know and understand the information provided.

The film has already been Dis-credited as they've Lied about their sources, and the actual Source of much of thier data came from a right wing "think Tank".

You should scroll back through the thread too. We've been through this..

The IPCC is the Best data on the matter. Organized by Ronald Reagan and the G7 almost 10 years ago...

Again, it's "cheaper" to dump raw sewage, Chemicals, heavy metals, and Nuclear material in the River. Is that actually better for the Economy??

 

Nobody says it is. There is a huge difference between imaginary GW at the hands of Man and the obvious hazards of not being good stewards of the land. One is manageable. The other isn't. That is a stupid comparison.

 

I can't believe I have gotten bogged down in an argument about religion.



Glory to the church of the IPCC.

 

Blind Belief. It's obvious what your Personal views on the matter are. You're OK to believe in the video that Matches your "beliefs" even if it's giving Wrong Data, lying about it's sources, and has a clear agenda.

Instead of looking at the Real study ordered by our government (and a good man if I might add), supported with Real Data and Real Facts agreed upon by Scientists from All around the world.

I'm glad All our scientists don't work that way. They'd probably still think, and try to Prove, the world was Flat and Evolution was a myth.

Clear your mind, be objective, Look at All the data, look at the Sources of the data, Then Make your decisions, Don't be Brainwashed!

I get Paid to look at things objectively. I **** a Lot of people off telling them the Real Cause of their problems, backed by Facts. It's hard to accept something you "believe" to be true is wrong. But they eventually get over it.

 

There was a time when I believed in some of the things you do. Don't get it twisted. I believed there was an Ice age coming when I read it in Science magazines of the day. I was very young then and have an excuse. If you honestly believe that the UN does not have a leftist agenda, and that what Reagan and Thatcher had in mind could not be usurped and put to use by people with those agendas, then you are very naive indeed.

 

I had my Personal Beliefs when I was Young too. I thought I had the whole world figured out but I kept realizing I was Wrong.

Then I opened my eyes, and stopped taking my information from people with a clear agenda, Liberal or Rightest. I started making my Own decisions regardless of what people were whispering in my ear. And here we are..

Trust me, if this Same group was saying the world Wasn't warming, and Man had NO effect on the environment I'd STILL believe them. Would you be argueing AGAINST them if that were the case? I doubt it...

 

I have come to my own conclusions as well. This is the first time I have seen this film; and, it only mirrors a great deal of what I had gathered on my own. The omission of increased solar activity in the IPCC's reports are very damning in my opinion. Believe what you want; but, if it smells like crap, it usually is.

 

Just some more info from the edges of this debate.


They have recorded yearly weather cycles in europe from the timbers of excavated ships. The growth rings in the trees vary in size due to the annual weather conditions. The data base is extensive and covers almost 2000 years, it is used to date the age of ships timbers as they are excavated or found and raised from the deep waters. They have used this to collabrate the summerless year of 1273 as well 1816 with Volcanic eruptions.
Google summerless years.



Not yet 100% proven, but scientists are saying the weather is impacted by the industrilization of China and India. Sorry I can not rember all of the article as I just skimmed it. But the increased pollution particles in the air are the suspected cause of the cloud formation into the cumulonimubus cloud systems rather than the cumulis clouds, and are causing some of the extreme weather patterns of current.

I agree there is a weather change but from where?, and with what degee is man responsable?
It could be GW as well as the loss of plankton, industrilization, the damning of rivers, changing ocean currents, the sun is getting warmer, or I just left my oven on for to long.

I feel the equation is to big and complex to just piont at any single event as the route cause.