heh, that's good wild-mtn-rose, gave me my first laugh of the day.

Micheal Crichton's "State Of Fear" is a good book to read about the GW myth. Keep in mind that it is fiction but it sure hits the nail on the head and I think a lot of the data in the story is taken from real research. I know the pro-GW people don't like it. I gave it to a friend at work to read and he almost got kicked out of his own house when he brought it home because his kids and wife bleed green.

 

Well, I guess if we ever hear about global cooling, they'll mandate everyone take their catalytic converters off, and their will be a tax-penalty for anyone operating a LEV or ULEV vehicle...

I thought I was old (37) , but I don't remember an ice-age scare in the 70's...

Global Cooling, Global Asphyxiation & Global Dehydration... Damn, if I had been debating with you guys then, I'd have lost from busting out with laughter...

 

Of course we are; but, it's so miniscule that it is irrelevant.

 

Uh.. Rapid Global Warming is now accepted as Fact. Even the President has acknowleged it. They're just debating the Causes now...

 

Politics. Not science. Be a sheep if you want. There's plenty of good science out there that debunks GW as man made. The past 30 years of GW is directly relateable to increased solar activity. Increased CO2 levels trail increased global temperatures. They would have to precede them to be causal. The funny part (More sad really) of GW zombies is that the evidence against man being the cause is clear and understandable. It's like a friggin' religion. No amount of proof to the contrary will change their beliefs.

 

Agreed...

Some folks don't even want to consider it as a possibility.
It's possible...

The same historical data people are looking at to say it doesn't exist, is the same historical data people are looking at who says it does exist. The same historical data people are looking at to say we aren't hurting the climate, is the same historical data people are looking at who says we are. Someone's right, someone's wrong.

If the GW fanatics are right, the good news is- we'll all be dead by the time things really get bad- so we won't have to deal with it. But, our kids and grandkids might...

Just think, 30 - 40 years ago, people didn't believe smoking cigarettes was causing cancer. People know now, yet they're still smoking a pack a day. We're gonna die anyway.. Might as well smoke, right?

Now we know not only can cigarettes kill the smoker, they're so dangerous, the second-hand smoke can give cancer to someone who has never smoked a day in their life. It takes time to prove or disprove a theory.

Believing a bear is in the woods doesn't make it so, but, believing there's no bear in the woods doesn't mean it's not one there... The only way to find out, is to look.

Basing one's argument for, or against global warming on 200 years of climatic history on a billion year-old planet, is like scooping a cup of water from the Pacific Ocean to count the number of whales in it.

We don't know enough, to know if we know enough.

But, who knows. The weathermen can't tell you with certainty that it's going to rain tomorrow. No one knows what "might" happen 30 - 40 - 50 years from today.

 

I really don't understand why people get so defensive about the GW issue. Is it because they want to Pollute more? Should we go back to the 70's with Acid rain, River's catching on fire, Smog, rampid Polution? I think we Are doing a good job about preventing polution, It can always be better.

What's the big deal?

This isn't based on a few warm years either. It's based on thousands of years of data collected from Ice Cores, etc. It's Fact. The Climate is getting warmer. Rapidly! At an unprecidented rate Seen in the last several thousand Years.

Here's a summary of the Consensus of the Worlds Scientists on this matter. Interesting reading

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

Carbon dioxide is the most important anthropogenic greenhouse gas (see Figure SPM-2). The global
atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased from a pre-industrial value of about 280 ppm to
379 ppm3 in 2005. The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide in 2005 exceeds by far the natural range
over the last 650,000 years (180 to 300 ppm) as determined from ice cores. The annual carbon dioxide
concentration growth-rate was larger during the last 10 years (1995 – 2005 average: 1.9 ppm per year), than it
has been since the beginning of continuous direct atmospheric measurements (1960 – 2005 average: 1.4 ppm
per year) although there is year-to-year variability in growth rates. {2.3, 7.3}
• The primary source of the increased atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide since the pre-industrial
period results from fossil fuel use, with land use change providing another significant but smaller
contribution. Annual fossil carbon dioxide emissions4 increased from an average of 6.4 [6.0 to 6.8] 5 GtC

 

Amen! Halleluyah! Pass the collection plate.

 

Oh well, anything they push to get elected is fair game even if it's a hoax, right? They want you to think GW is really happening, maybe brainwashing is a better term. Some of you guys are totally taking the bait, and they want you to.

 

Perhaps you should watch the documentary... it explains what constitutes the ipcc.... your source is a political engine... and scientists who are "playing ball" so they have a job.... IMO

 

I totally agree with that.

 

Its mostly a natural cycle. NASA satellite images of Mars show its ice melting over the years. Cant blame that on my pickup.

Also even though the arctic ice cap is decreasing a bit, I read that the antarctic ice cap is actualy growing.

Dont forget, there was an ice age, and it all melted after, long before the internal combustion engine or even civilization.

 

So true
I post a link to a perfectly logical explanation for GW and those that can only believe we are causing it don't bother to watch it.

 

Some people can't tell the difference between educated and indoctrinated.

 

So what is the political Agenda of this group of Several thousand High Ranking scientists from all around the world? It seems to me the Government would PREFER them to down play global warming so they could let their factories pollute more and save money..

Research Money? The more these guys Agree on the status of things the less Governments feel the need to invest in the group and they accept it as being fact.

Remember, these guys aren't actually doing the research. They're looking at ALL Scientific studies and reports and drawing combined conclusions based off of All of these studies.

Again, this is what the G7 (USA, Japan, Germany, France, Great Britain, Canada, Italy) came up with to look at Global warming in 1988.

This is OUR PICK to analyze the data. There's no Surprise Bush has also accepted their findings.. Especially since Reagan helped order the report.