Global Warming
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Originally Posted by BHibbs
So what is the political Agenda of this group of Several thousand High Ranking scientists from all around the world? It seems to me the Government would PREFER them to down play global warming so they could let their factories pollute more and save money..
Research Money? The more these guys Agree on the status of things the less Governments feel the need to invest in the group and they accept it as being fact.
Remember, these guys aren't actually doing the research. They're looking at ALL Scientific studies and reports and drawing combined conclusions based off of All of these studies.
Again, this is what the G7 (USA, Japan, Germany, France, Great Britain, Canada, Italy) came up with to look at Global warming in 1988.
This is OUR PICK to analyze the data. There's no Surprise Bush has also accepted their findings.. Especially since Reagan helped order the report.
Research Money? The more these guys Agree on the status of things the less Governments feel the need to invest in the group and they accept it as being fact.
Remember, these guys aren't actually doing the research. They're looking at ALL Scientific studies and reports and drawing combined conclusions based off of All of these studies.
Again, this is what the G7 (USA, Japan, Germany, France, Great Britain, Canada, Italy) came up with to look at Global warming in 1988.
This is OUR PICK to analyze the data. There's no Surprise Bush has also accepted their findings.. Especially since Reagan helped order the report.
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Originally Posted by BHibbs
So what is the political Agenda of this group of Several thousand High Ranking scientists from all around the world? It seems to me the Government would PREFER them to down play global warming so they could let their factories pollute more and save money..
Research Money? The more these guys Agree on the status of things the less Governments feel the need to invest in the group and they accept it as being fact.
Remember, these guys aren't actually doing the research. They're looking at ALL Scientific studies and reports and drawing combined conclusions based off of All of these studies.
Again, this is what the G7 (USA, Japan, Germany, France, Great Britain, Canada, Italy) came up with to look at Global warming in 1988.
This is OUR PICK to analyze the data. There's no Surprise Bush has also accepted their findings.. Especially since Reagan helped order the report.
Research Money? The more these guys Agree on the status of things the less Governments feel the need to invest in the group and they accept it as being fact.
Remember, these guys aren't actually doing the research. They're looking at ALL Scientific studies and reports and drawing combined conclusions based off of All of these studies.
Again, this is what the G7 (USA, Japan, Germany, France, Great Britain, Canada, Italy) came up with to look at Global warming in 1988.
This is OUR PICK to analyze the data. There's no Surprise Bush has also accepted their findings.. Especially since Reagan helped order the report.
Everything you are asking us is addressed in the film. It's not long. Watch it for chis' sake. Don't be scared.
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Brainwashed for sure....
so many suckers just love being politically correct. The latest craze in idiotic PC... is:
News commentators, now 'judge' whether or not people act 'appropriately' in a given situation.... and it seems to be their basis for whether or not the person is guilty of something....
so many suckers just love being politically correct. The latest craze in idiotic PC... is:
News commentators, now 'judge' whether or not people act 'appropriately' in a given situation.... and it seems to be their basis for whether or not the person is guilty of something....
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See Ronald Reagan was smart when he authorized this study and helped design it's format. He didn't want a single person attached to a conclusion, whether that be Al Gore or Kevin Stanchfield.
the IPCC’s structure, which consisted of representatives appointed by every government in the world and required to consult all the thousands of experts in repeated rounds of report-drafting in order to reach a consensus.
Yes, there are thousands of Scientists consulted, and NO, they ALL don't agree. But this report looks at ALL of them in which it bases it's conclusions, and these conclusions are quite clear and spelled out in their report.
I skimmed through the video. And it's nothing I haven't seen before. They're definitely doing some clear manipulation about the facts but whatever, it's a film with a clear Agenda. Kind of like the Jesus Tomb thing.
No offense, but I'm going to go with the best Scientific Study available that took 10 Years to complete, in the format Ronald Reagan helped create, on this one.
I start to wonder who's Actually "brasinwashed" around here..
the IPCC’s structure, which consisted of representatives appointed by every government in the world and required to consult all the thousands of experts in repeated rounds of report-drafting in order to reach a consensus.
Yes, there are thousands of Scientists consulted, and NO, they ALL don't agree. But this report looks at ALL of them in which it bases it's conclusions, and these conclusions are quite clear and spelled out in their report.
I skimmed through the video. And it's nothing I haven't seen before. They're definitely doing some clear manipulation about the facts but whatever, it's a film with a clear Agenda. Kind of like the Jesus Tomb thing.
No offense, but I'm going to go with the best Scientific Study available that took 10 Years to complete, in the format Ronald Reagan helped create, on this one.
I start to wonder who's Actually "brasinwashed" around here..
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Originally Posted by BHibbs
See Ronald Reagan was smart when he authorized this study and helped design it's format. He didn't want a single person attached to a conclusion, whether that be Al Gore or Kevin Stanchfield.
the IPCC’s structure, which consisted of representatives appointed by every government in the world and required to consult all the thousands of experts in repeated rounds of report-drafting in order to reach a consensus.
Yes, there are thousands of Scientists consulted, and NO, they ALL don't agree. But this report looks at ALL of them in which it bases it's conclusions, and these conclusions are quite clear and spelled out in their report.
I skimmed through the video. And it's nothing I haven't seen before. They're definitely doing some clear manipulation about the facts but whatever, it's a film with a clear Agenda. Kind of like the Jesus Tomb thing.
No offense, but I'm going to go with the best Scientific Study available that took 10 Years to complete, in the format Ronald Reagan helped create, on this one.
I start to wonder who's Actually "brasinwashed" around here..
the IPCC’s structure, which consisted of representatives appointed by every government in the world and required to consult all the thousands of experts in repeated rounds of report-drafting in order to reach a consensus.
Yes, there are thousands of Scientists consulted, and NO, they ALL don't agree. But this report looks at ALL of them in which it bases it's conclusions, and these conclusions are quite clear and spelled out in their report.
I skimmed through the video. And it's nothing I haven't seen before. They're definitely doing some clear manipulation about the facts but whatever, it's a film with a clear Agenda. Kind of like the Jesus Tomb thing.
No offense, but I'm going to go with the best Scientific Study available that took 10 Years to complete, in the format Ronald Reagan helped create, on this one.
I start to wonder who's Actually "brasinwashed" around here..
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You do realize this guy's getting his data from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and the George C Marshall Institute, a right-wing Washington think-tank as well as straight up Lieing.. This is Exactly what Ronald Reagan DIDN'T Want..
One thing I always do is check the Source....
The Great Global Warming Swindle, was based on graphs that were distorted, mislabelled or just plain wrong. The graphs were nevertheless used to attack the credibility and honesty of climate scientists.
A graph central to the programme's thesis, purporting to show variations in global temperatures over the past century, claimed to show that global warming was not linked with industrial emissions of carbon dioxide. Yet the graph was not what it seemed.
Other graphs used out-of-date information or data that was shown some years ago to be wrong. Yet the programme makers claimed the graphs demonstrated that orthodox climate science was a conspiratorial "lie" foisted on the public.
Martin Durkin, who wrote and directed the film, admitted yesterday that one of the graphs contained serious errors but he said they were corrected in time for the second transmission of the programme following inquiries by The Independent.
The programme-makers labelled the source of the world temperature data as "Nasa" but when we inquired about where we could find this information, we received an email through Wag TV's PR consultant saying that the graph was drawn from a 1998 diagram published in an obscure journal called Medical Sentinel. The authors of the paper are well-known climate sceptics who were funded by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and the George C Marshall Institute, a right-wing Washington think-tank.
Mr Durkin also used a schematic graph of temperatures over the past 1,000 years that was at least 16 years old, which gave the impression that today's temperatures are cooler than during the medieval warm period. If he had used a more recent, and widely available, composite graph it would have shown average temperatures far exceed the past 1,000 years.
One thing I always do is check the Source....
The Great Global Warming Swindle, was based on graphs that were distorted, mislabelled or just plain wrong. The graphs were nevertheless used to attack the credibility and honesty of climate scientists.
A graph central to the programme's thesis, purporting to show variations in global temperatures over the past century, claimed to show that global warming was not linked with industrial emissions of carbon dioxide. Yet the graph was not what it seemed.
Other graphs used out-of-date information or data that was shown some years ago to be wrong. Yet the programme makers claimed the graphs demonstrated that orthodox climate science was a conspiratorial "lie" foisted on the public.
Martin Durkin, who wrote and directed the film, admitted yesterday that one of the graphs contained serious errors but he said they were corrected in time for the second transmission of the programme following inquiries by The Independent.
The programme-makers labelled the source of the world temperature data as "Nasa" but when we inquired about where we could find this information, we received an email through Wag TV's PR consultant saying that the graph was drawn from a 1998 diagram published in an obscure journal called Medical Sentinel. The authors of the paper are well-known climate sceptics who were funded by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine and the George C Marshall Institute, a right-wing Washington think-tank.
Mr Durkin also used a schematic graph of temperatures over the past 1,000 years that was at least 16 years old, which gave the impression that today's temperatures are cooler than during the medieval warm period. If he had used a more recent, and widely available, composite graph it would have shown average temperatures far exceed the past 1,000 years.
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I just love how whenever there is a mild month in the winter people start talking about how it is global warming. Funny, for as long as anyone can remember the winters on the Prairies havent changed. There is always a mild period followed by the deep freeze. Some of the record high temps were set in the late 1800's. Same with the lack of rain for a few years, look back, these cycles have always come and gone.
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Originally Posted by 89Lariat
I just love how whenever there is a mild month in the winter people start talking about how it is global warming. Funny, for as long as anyone can remember the winters on the Prairies havent changed. There is always a mild period followed by the deep freeze. Some of the record high temps were set in the late 1800's. Same with the lack of rain for a few years, look back, these cycles have always come and gone.
In descending order, the years with the highest global average annual temperatures were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004, NASA said in a statement.
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Originally Posted by BHibbs
2006 was the warmest year in the US's recorded History.
In descending order, the years with the highest global average annual temperatures were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004, NASA said in a statement.
In descending order, the years with the highest global average annual temperatures were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004, NASA said in a statement.
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Originally Posted by BHibbs
2006 was the warmest year in the US's recorded History.
In descending order, the years with the highest global average annual temperatures were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004, NASA said in a statement.
In descending order, the years with the highest global average annual temperatures were 2005, 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004, NASA said in a statement.
Look at the entire history of climate change, the world has gong through huge ones without humans.
Here on the prairies record lows have been set over the last couple winters, with mild periods. Ask any old timer farmers who have been around since the Dust Bowl of the 30s, nothing has really changed.
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I have no doubt that "green living" is better than the way most of us live now. We all can do more to "save" the planet by reducing our "carbon footprint" can't we? It is silly to waste resources. What I can't stand is, that science is being greatly misused and abused by politics for whatever subversive purpose.
Worse yet, scientists who disagree with the "theory" are being personally attacked. Some global warmers are even calling to forcefully "silence" dissenters by yanking their certifications. How can a skeptical scientist be marginalized "officially" when by questioning weak assumptions, they are just being good scientists. Worse, many politicians are coming out strongly in favor of this "global warming" concept even though a majority of them have no training or any basic understanding of the science. They are simply paying lip service to those that are essentially totally brainwashing populations into the fear mongering social control that "abrupt cataclysmic climate change" causes.
The temps went up, the temps went down and we don't have a great handle on EXACTLY how fast this occurred or why it occurred. Yet when listen to the Global Warming televangelist such as AlGore thunder away at the non-believers only to turn around and jump on his private jet-liner to go to one of his 4 mansions that consume more energy than a small city in a single year, one would have to wonder What the heck is that? Its Bull S*&T, which BTW is the biggest emitter greenhouse gases (Cows).
So Johnny come lately AlGore doesn't deny that he uses so much energy with his planes, trains, automobiles and mansions....He simply, immediately and conveniently signs up for a program to install solar panels on his mansions (A couple weeks ago when caught) and calls it good. This is to quell the disbelief of his minions all in the name of the current buzzword "Carbon Neutrality". Even though AlGore would have to plant the a large South American Rain Forrest just to neutralize a fraction of the energy he has used and abused in his lifetime. Brilliant!
AlGore just like any good used car salesman knows...There is a sucker born every minute...No offense intended to the car salesman
Worse yet, scientists who disagree with the "theory" are being personally attacked. Some global warmers are even calling to forcefully "silence" dissenters by yanking their certifications. How can a skeptical scientist be marginalized "officially" when by questioning weak assumptions, they are just being good scientists. Worse, many politicians are coming out strongly in favor of this "global warming" concept even though a majority of them have no training or any basic understanding of the science. They are simply paying lip service to those that are essentially totally brainwashing populations into the fear mongering social control that "abrupt cataclysmic climate change" causes.
The temps went up, the temps went down and we don't have a great handle on EXACTLY how fast this occurred or why it occurred. Yet when listen to the Global Warming televangelist such as AlGore thunder away at the non-believers only to turn around and jump on his private jet-liner to go to one of his 4 mansions that consume more energy than a small city in a single year, one would have to wonder What the heck is that? Its Bull S*&T, which BTW is the biggest emitter greenhouse gases (Cows).
So Johnny come lately AlGore doesn't deny that he uses so much energy with his planes, trains, automobiles and mansions....He simply, immediately and conveniently signs up for a program to install solar panels on his mansions (A couple weeks ago when caught) and calls it good. This is to quell the disbelief of his minions all in the name of the current buzzword "Carbon Neutrality". Even though AlGore would have to plant the a large South American Rain Forrest just to neutralize a fraction of the energy he has used and abused in his lifetime. Brilliant!
AlGore just like any good used car salesman knows...There is a sucker born every minute...No offense intended to the car salesman
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Wasn't it not to long ago that it was beign said that any scientist who agreed that global warming was taking place was essentially discredited or mocked by government officials...
Now, it seems any scientist that agrees with it, is on the political payroll...
It would seem there are conspiracy theorists on both sides...
Now, it seems any scientist that agrees with it, is on the political payroll...
It would seem there are conspiracy theorists on both sides...
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Originally Posted by 89Lariat
So a warming trend for less than 10 years, how long has the planet been around? Im not saying it is not a little warmer for a period. But big deal, its just a stat to get people all hyped about it.
Look at the entire history of climate change, the world has gong through huge ones without humans.
Here on the prairies record lows have been set over the last couple winters, with mild periods. Ask any old timer farmers who have been around since the Dust Bowl of the 30s, nothing has really changed.
Look at the entire history of climate change, the world has gong through huge ones without humans.
Here on the prairies record lows have been set over the last couple winters, with mild periods. Ask any old timer farmers who have been around since the Dust Bowl of the 30s, nothing has really changed.
Paleoclimate information supports the interpretation that the warmth of the last half century is
unusual in at least the previous 1300 years. The last time the polar regions were significantly warmer
than present for an extended period (about 125,000 years ago), reductions in polar ice volume led to 4
to 6 metres of sea level rise. {6.4, 6.6}
• Average Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the second half of the 20th century were very likely higher
than during any other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the highest in at least the past 1300 years.
Everyone's worried because the Statistical changes in the last 50 years Have been Dramatic, and Rapid in comparison to the last several thousand years of climatic data. I don't know where you live, but even the "old Timer's" around here think it's getting Warmer..
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