um.... no it isn't accepted as fact. The few state sponsored "scientists" say it is. Most scientists are unsure or are down right adament that there is no made made GW. Like I hear all the time.. science is not consenses. It isn't majority rules.

 

Just think, 30 - 40 years ago, people didn't believe smoking cigarettes was causing cancer. People know now, yet they're still smoking a pack a day. We're gonna die anyway.. Might as well smoke, right?
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well.. you don't even have those "facts" right. In the 1920's they were called coffin nails.

 

I really don't understand why people get so defensive about the GW issue. Is it because they want to Pollute more? Should we go back to the 70's with Acid rain, River's catching on fire, Smog, rampid Polution? I think we Are doing a good job about preventing polution, It can always be better.
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And this is the typical liberal/socialist marketing... "If you think GW isn't true, you must want pollution!!" Sorry.. that doesn't wash. No one wants dirty air or water. Just some are more reasonable than others. You have to realize that to do what the gorebots want us to do, there will be no commerace for us to stay in any sort of modern life. And when we all go back to horse and buggies... will we have to have catalitic converters on the horses *** to keep the polution at bay? Where does it end?

 

Some people will have a modern life. That's what carbon credits will be for. If you can afford it, your pollution won't count. Isn't that how Gore justifies his massive energy use? Buy a solar panel for some poor folks so he can keep his pool heated?

 

The point was (and he talks about using common sense) things become clear as time passes. Remember reading how naysayers assumed man would never achieve powered flight? (Tell that to Orville & Wilbur). There's no way to go faster than the speed of sound, right? (Wrong) No one should ever need more than 640 Kb of storage space. (Wrong). We learn as we go...

A few things...

1. I never said what I said about "cigaretes/coffin nails" were facts. But, even with the warning on the pack since 1965, people still smoke.
2. I'm playing Devil's advocate, mostly- but do believe research needs to continue
3. I don't know if we're contributing to global warming or not.
4. You don't know if we're contributing to global warming or not.
5. We're all just guessing.
6. Common sense? How is that measured, and what yardstick are we using?
7. Disagreement doesn't make anyone stupid.
8. We don't know what happened to Jimmy Hoffa- how does anyone "know" how hot the world was in 1600?
9. It's all guessing... Best guess..
10. Not agreeing with one's logic, doesn't make someone else unreasonable.
11. At least we're not arguing here, about the honor, or lack thereof, of loving your truck and eating Top Ramen.

I too think man's role is minimal, but- 99 cents isn't a dollar until someone adds a penny.

Maybe we can't stop it... So??? If chances were you couldn't stop your truck before it went off a cliff, would you say "F-it" and press the accellerator, or would you stomp on the brakes?

Damn right- you'd at least try to stop. Especially if jumping from the truck would kill you.

Trying, shows common sense.
Not trying, shows a lack of common sense.

 

I kind of agree with Bighersh in that I too find nothing wrong with trying to be cleaner. There is good money into being clearer, the technology to do it, the new jobs created, and perhaps new energy sources that come of it.

However, where I stand is that we should do it because it’s the right thing to do, the common sense thing to do.

I do not believe anyone should be forced into doing it because of Global Warming, of which, in my deepest beliefs, do not in any way think humans can do anything to change nature and the universe. There is nothing humans can do to cool the globe nor is there anything humans can do to heat the globe.

People like Algore have no idea whatsoever on what they are talking about. Algore simply yacks away for attention even though he has got to know the vast majority of people think he is a complete moron for repeating what other morons have told him rather then him actually looking at facts from all sides of the issues.

It is one of the biggest reasons Algore will never be President of the United States because he is nothing more then one big stupid looking puppet that will repeat anything you want if you have enough money. Sure President Bush has his puppet moments as did President Clinton, all Presidents do as that is how they get into the White House, but Algore is in a ballpark all his own, he is pure puppet 100% of the time…



“Do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, do NOT ever force people to do things based on scare tactics that have little to no facts behind them…” Burt 3/07

That’s my new slogan and it goes for “all” people…

 

Ok, just checking.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/....ap/index.html

 

Chris, you've got some catching up to do, you should probably read the entire thread, I think there's a Lot you can learn.

Just to summarize, in the 80's (which is kind of where you seem to be still stuck) there was a Big debate over global warming. Whether it existed, whether Man caused it, etc.

It was decided to order perhaps one of the largest scale studies ordered in the history of the world. The G7, including the United State, then led by Ronald Reagan, a doubter of global warming, organized the study. It was to utilize Scientists from every country across the world. It combined and look at ALL the research available on the issue. Everyone critisized Reagan when this study was launched, saying there was NO WAY all these scientists would ever "agree" on One thing.

Conservatives and doubters of Global warming were happy with this format.

10 years later the Scientists Have agreed. They Have come to a consensus. And that consensus is the world is getting warmer and Man is Contributing to this Global warming.

Again, this isn't a group of rogue scientists. This is THE study and report on the matter.

Do you have a better source for You're information and "facts". Yes, you can find "studies" that contradict this, generally led by Right Wing Conservative "think tanks" as the attached Movie was.

I listened to the hearings with Al Gore. I think some of the Politicians believe Al Gore invented this info. He's basically just reading from the report.

Please, read it.

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

If you have a more comprehensive study on the matter, utilizing Thousands of high ranking scientists, from All Around the world, I would definitely Love to read it. I assure you, it Doesn't exist...

 

It is the amount that man is contributing to GW that is the point. Look at all the changes that happened globally before the industrial revolution.

I am sure that all the GW nutjobs would love for everyone to drive Smart cars and electric ****boxes. Or everyone live in the major cities and only use public transit or bicycles. Ill be damned if I will, I need my truck and am not going to stop driving it because a bunch of tree huggers in their own reality think I am going to cause the Apocalypse.

The UN thinks that it is so urgent? Start going after China, India, and Russia. Stop this BS that its all the evil wealthy West and that we should hand out money to them to repent for our evils . China is destroying their environment, yet the blame is placed on the working class in Western nations.

Stop playing Chicken Little, the sky is not falling.

 

The reality is the US has more CO2 emissions than any other country. Almost twice that of China....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...xide_emissions

 

For now, but look at the rate China is increasing, plus all the other environmental issues. They are drying out rivers due to their rapid expansion.

Im also sick of seeing GW on tv every day with the same old crap "of what I can do to help" I live in Canada, our emissions are negligable compared to almost every other major industrial country. Cant the whiners move onto something else, or better yet, get a life and do something productive with their time.

 

Not to the extremes that Algore says. The planet will do its own thing redardless of our input. It has before and it will later.

Our indusatrial revolution was a pinprick compared to China's current industrialization. They are the ones ruining the planet.

What we need are more nuclear power plants, then the green treehuggers can be happy, after they protest some more about frivelous nothings.

 

Miniscule, we differ on that one, and it is a completely debatable difference. Scientists are very divided on that as well. It all depends on the bankroll as to which side they choose, sad, but true.

So why don't animals have to change their ways, they are polluting too.

 

So are cows and all grass eating mammals (methane). They need to be held accountable.