Go easy on Mattineer. When I have a bad day at work I look forward to his posts cheering me up!

 

What you just told me is taht you have the right to look at child ****, but not the right to feel safe. What reasons did primitive people use to band together? Safety in numbers is probably one of the top ones. A society is a group of people with a common intrest. Saftey is one of the common intrrests that this country was founded on. Or am I misinterpeting

" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" ?

Right to life by any reasonable man would include safety.

If I were the one wrongfully detained and accused, would it suck? Oh, hell yeah. But I've already signaled my willingness to make sacrafices for this country by joining the military. I'm already prepared to give my life in the name of the USA. No, our system isn't perfect, and if you can think of a country with a better one, I'm sure that they'll welcome you with open arms.


BTW, you never answered my questions.

And if any you decide that my spelling or grammar limits my intelligence, then so be it. As of yet, I haven't heard an argument that invalidates any point that I've made.

 

Well f*cking said.

You all claim that it's "all about my rights, I won't give up any rights, they are all equal." That is seriously some of the most idiotic, ignorant crap I have ever heard. They are NOT all equal.

You CAN NOT possibly say that you think every single right you have holds equal importance. You think your right to choose what brand tissue paper you use to wipe your *** is EQUALLY important as your right to a trial, your right to an attorney, and your right to pursue happiness?

And in case you haven't noticed, if we do not find a way to stop the terrorists from doing what idiots like you allow them to do then, "that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." really don't matter, do they? Right off the bat, if you're dead, your right to LIFE is gone, your right to LIBERTY is ENTIRELY gone, and your right to pursue happiness is GONE.

You are telling me you are so stubborn and unable to accept reasonable, modest, and necessary change that you would feel better sleeping at night KNOWING that you, your loved ones, your neighbors, and every other innocent member of American society is at a HIGHER RISK OF BEING MURDERED rather than at being at a higher risk of having Uncle Sam *****POTENTIONALLY**** listen in on your phone calls? PLEASE.

Anyone who argues against that is simply just being stubborn.

 

I say the same thing from the other side of the issue.

I could say if my Liberty is gone my right to life and happiness/property is gone as well.

I'll stop now

 

[QUOTE]I pride myself in acknowledging and responding to every aspect of a retort, but when someone leads the way by ignoring every valid point I made that made you look like the fool you are, I have no problem playing the same pathetic game and just simply not acknowledging anything you said.

So after reading your entire response, I think the most powerful and valid statements made were pointing out my lack of care in regards to hitting the spell check button. I typed a novelette free hand without a spell checker and amongst the entire thing you found one validly misspelled word (+1 you), and one simple typo that was made because I was typing from my girlfriend's obnoxious keyboard.[QUOTE]
You had no valid points, but I responded to your posts nearly line for line. I only mentioned your spelling error because you chose tout your own mental supremacy by calling me ‘uneducated’.

Attention to detail Hoss, it pays dividends.
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Originally Posted by PONY_DRIVEROnce again you have demonstrated that your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired in an adult level conversation. GOD given, as referenced by our Founding Fathers in our Declaration of Independence, means they are innate.

I'll start here since nothing else you even said was coherent or valid. I actually prefer arguing a point with people that are educated because it makes it easy and clear what is being discusssed, but with dolts such as yourself the topic gets lost in the playground banter and off topic responses. [QUOTE]

The topic is Liberty and the infringement upon our civil liberties by an out of control Federal (Dare I saw feral) government. You position was that you were A-okay with the government violating our rights because it makes you feel safer. Do you remember now?

That “lame little phrase” as you so eloquently put it comes from Shakespeare's Hamlet;
”The lady doth protest too much, methinks“. It is not ‘my’ word, but by all means use it.
The use of all caps is a sign of reverence or respect. I could have capitalized only the first letter ‘God’ but I chose not to. Capitalization has nothing to do with where my rights are derived.

 

The use of Websters.com was for your edification since you had trouble understanding words in common usage in the English language. Our Founding Fathers referenced the fact that we are born with innate rights that are given to us by our creator (God). Some of those rights are enumerated (listed) in the Constitution of the United States of America. None of our rights are given to us by the Constitution.


Hot damn, you put it together, now can you comprehend it?

Possessed at birth, inborn. My rights do not stem from my biological mother and father, they come from God, YHWH, Jehovah, the sun disc, Dispater etc.
I could care less about your supposed scholastic accomplishments. I sure wouldn’t brag about anything from California. Hell they’ll give an illegal alien a Drivers license and set him or her up with welfare. It’s really quite simple our rights are derived from our creator (God) and are enumerated in the Constitution. The Federal government does not give us our rights, President George W. Bush Jr does not give us our rights, nor does the Justice Department give us our rights. If you are too ignorant to understand plain English and received a scholarship for reading comprehension from the State of California that state must be in poor shape indeed.

How childish can you be? I respect this website and the people who post here enough that I do not make wholly crude statements, I do not call you childish names, nor have I refused to address your ‘points’. You seem to be unable to attack my arguments so you attack me, how utterly mature of you.

 

If there were a suspected terrorist as my next door neighbor, and I was unaware of it, the government would be more than welcome to come into my home to keep tabs on these individuals. Invading my privacy, sure. For my safety.....you're damn right.

 

The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.

Guess that is why a C was never good enough for me in school.

 

did you have a "SAT score [that] was good enough to get [you] into Ivy League schools".........

 

Bovine Scatology

So they say - for now. At one point they also said that Social Security was going to be voluntary...try not paying your SS taxes and see what happens.

The Selective Service is not the Draft. The Draft may be instituted in a time of national crisis.

Checking for someone's nationality at the border or at an International airport is not an invasion of privacy. The DUI checkpoints are.

In case anyone hasn't read the Bill of Rights in a while, here you go.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

 

I honestly couldn't tell ya....I never took them.

Paying for a test that has to be taken on a Saturday violated too many of my guiding principles at the time.

 

Again, Ponydriver and Westhlm80 refuse to address my posts'... Guess they're above my arguments... Anyone else care for a shot??


Lumadar,

I agree with what you say, but you are resorting to insults and name calling...

 

“That “lame little phrase” as you so eloquently put it comes from Shakespeare's Hamlet;
”The lady doth protest too much, methinks“. It is not ‘my’ word, but by all means use it.”

Haha, thanks for the history lesson. Yet again you’ve entirely missed the point, go figure? My point was that you added some “old English” to a few words and then think you are so smart and mock me for not knowing how to follow your “big words.” How intellectual of you, you added “eth,” how does that make it a “big” word? And congratulations on quoting Shakespeare, I’m trying to see how that makes you seem smarter, or more of an expert on this subject at hand, but nothing comes to mind.

“The use of all caps is a sign of reverence or respect. I could have capitalized only the first letter ‘God’ but I chose not to. Capitalization has nothing to do with where my rights are derived.”

Lmao. That’s good. That’s really good. Maybe you should dive back into some high school reading comprehension classes (even the ones out in California cover this) because capitalizing all of the letters in God (or any word for that matter) does not show additional reverence. There is nothing in the entire Bible that mentions needing to capitalize all three letters, nor is there anything in the English language that suggests using all capital letters in order to show additional respect/reverence. The only letter that needs to be capitalized out of reverence is the first letter, “G,” not the rest, pal. You made that up as a pathetic attempt to save (ugly) face. Pathetic…did you actually think anyone would buy that? Laugh.


“Our Founding Fathers referenced the fact that we are born with innate rights that are given to us by our creator (God).”

Wow, thank you for validating my entire point. Apparently you didn’t read anything I wrote, so I’ll recap for you. YET AGAIN, God has given NO ONE any RIGHTS. ANYTHING ANYONE HAS IS THROUGH GOD’S GRACE, IT IS NOT A RIGHT. Again, I urge you to read Job if you do not understand this concept (which it is clear you do not).

“Some of those rights are enumerated (listed) in the Constitution of the United States of America. None of our rights are given to us by the Constitution.” This, again, does not make sense because we have NO “God given” rights. None, nada, zilch, zero. Earlier you tried to save face by saying that the Constitution is the source of our rights…and now you say it isn’t. Pick one. Earlier you said you didn’t actually mean “God given” in the sense that God gave us the rights, but that they are rights given to us at birth by being born American citizens. Now, you argue otherwise. Hmm….


And I quote, “Possessed at birth, inborn. My rights do not stem from my biological mother and father, they come from God, YHWH, Jehovah, the sun disc, Dispater etc.”

Yet again, WRONG. Read the Bible (either version pal) and you will not find anything cover to cover that says anything about your “rights.” It’s called grace…hence the term “Saved by Grace.” You didn’t earn anything, you don’t deserve anything, and you aren’t guaranteed ANYTHING according to The Bible. God ALLOWS us to live through His grace, and His grace alone. The end.

“Hell they’ll give an illegal alien a Drivers license and set him or her up with welfare.”

Wrong, looks like you are as correct and educated on your current events in all areas as the one at hand. There have been attempts, but it has NOT been passed into law.

“It’s really quite simple our rights are derived from our creator (God) and are enumerated in the Constitution. The Federal government does not give us our rights, President George W. Bush Jr does not give us our rights, nor does the Justice Department give us our rights. If you are too ignorant to understand plain English and received a scholarship for reading comprehension from the State of California that state must be in poor shape indeed.”

I think I have covered this enough times…maybe YOU need to learn how to comprehend. You’ve made it VERY clear that you have now fallen back to the argument that we have God given (in the very purest sense of the word/phrase) rights…not constitutionally given rights. You are stating that the Constitution does in fact HOLD these truths about our rights…but it in and of itself doesn’t give them to us. If that is indeed your argument, it is yet again entirely flawed because like I have said about 15 times, we have NO GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

“You seem to be unable to attack my arguments so you attack me, how utterly mature of you.”

Please, I broke your entire pathetic excuse for an argument down piece by piece and tore it apart. You just happened to be collateral damage. Sorry if I hurt your feelings.

 

As for the "name calling," sorry if it got personal...but I'm sick of the old farts with pathetic lives, pathetic trucks, and arguments so full of holes they could be mistaken for Swiss cheese mocking me. If they are as tough as they try to be, they'll survive. and for the record, I wasn't making anything personal until others made it personal towards me.