The SCOTUS also ruled that higher taxes trump private property rights in that they are 'for the good of the people'. A blatant violation of private property rights and an abortion of Eminent Domain.

I'm off to Lodge and will address the rest of the clap trap above when I return.

 

This site has some great features.
Lumadar = Ignore

 

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I’m taking this out of order to address a fallacy.

In Post #14 [QUOTE]Me thinks you need to learn how not to sound liketh a retardeth, for starters.{/QUOTE]

My post was in reply to 98Lariet4x4, not you. So unless you are confused as to what your moniker is on f150online, no one started getting personal until you did. I’m not old and as lame as my truck may be it’s paid for in full. Amen.

You are stuck on one line of paraphrased olde English, get over it.

When and where did I state that using all caps was proper grammatical English? This is a message forum, the APA guide is not required for submitted posts.

So God (Are you satisfied with the way that is spelled?) gives us these ‘things’ through His good graces, but we can’t call them rights? What are they then and where do our rights come from?

I never, not once said that our rights come from the Constitution, they are merely enumerated there. It’s really quite simple.


When the trials of my probationary state are over I hope to dwell in the house, not built with hands, eternal in the Heavens, so mote it be. Unless and until God calls me home I retain my RIGHTS. Not privileges, but rights. They are mine by birth, endowed upon me by my creator and no one can take them from me.

 

Do you want to bet your bottom dollar that not one illegal alien has a *valid* State issued CA drivers license?

Then where do our rights come from oh oracle of f150online? They come from our creator, whomever or whatever you believe him/her/he/she/it to be.

“You seem to be unable to attack my arguments so you attack me, how utterly mature of you.”

Wrong. You made false claims about what I said, and otherwise made semi coherent statements that you do not believe that our rights come from God, but yet you go on to say that what we have is through His good graces. So if our rights don’t come from God, natures God **, our creator, then where do they come from? What should we call all that we are given by His good graces? Feel good things?

Regardless of what you happen to think, our Founding Fathers believed differently and I agree with their line of thought.

** ‘God of Nature, US DoI.

 

I understand that, but I disagree with their ruling. Tax moeny does not pass muster for 'Pubic use'. Public use means, or at least used to mean things like sidewalks, post offices, court houses etc. You know, things that the public uses. Their decision trampled the 'blighted area' requirement that kept localities from condeming your land for a builders use.

 

No you do not have the right to look at underage pornography. Aside from being morally wrong is it also expressly prohibited by law and condemned by society. This country was founded on the principles of religious freedom, not safety. It is nice to feel safe though


I will grant you that with the understanding that I do not feel safe with the way the government has been going. I do not feel safer when I am stripped of my rights, in fact I feel that I am more vulnerable with their loss.

[QUOTE]If I were the one wrongfully detained and accused, would it suck? Oh, hell yeah. But I've already signaled my willingness to make sacrafices for this country by joining the military. I'm already prepared to give my life in the name of the USA. No, our system isn't perfect, and if you can think of a country with a better one, I'm sure that they'll welcome you with open arms.[QUOTE]

My DD214 is already on file, I have also demonstrated my willingness to make sacrifices for my country. What I am not willing to sacrifice is my Liberty. It is the duty of every good citizen to keep their government within due bounds. Destroying our freedom one piece of legislation at a time in the name of ‘safety’ is out of bounds.

This post was directed at someone else I believe so I did not answer for them.

 

“My post was in reply to 98Lariet4x4, not you. So unless you are confused as to what your moniker is on f150online, no one started getting personal until you did. I’m not old and as lame as my truck may be it’s paid for in full. Amen.”

Well, I appreciate the clarification, but I was quite aware it was not directed towards me. I never said it was…you can go ahead put that amazing reading comprehension skill set you have to use and check it again.

As for the truck being paid for, hah, good for you. I’m 22, and bought my 2005 Lariat CASH at age 21. I also bought a 2006 Focus and financed ONLY the minimum purely to build my credit (750~ score) for future home loans. I hope at your age you can manage to pay a truck like that off…hah, and I don’t think it’s anything special. Sorry.

“You are stuck on one line of paraphrased olde English, get over it.” I’m not stuck on anything. I was purely making a point that even still you refuse to acknowledge, back to grade school antics again I see…

“When and where did I state that using all caps was proper grammatical English? This is a message forum, the APA guide is not required for submitted posts.”
Nowhere, nor did I say you did. But you attacked my reading comprehension skills, and went about grading my English like an English teacher- wait, now you don’t want to play by those rules? How terribly convenient.

“So God (Are you satisfied with the way that is spelled?) gives us these ‘things’ through His good graces, but we can’t call them rights? What are they then and where do our rights come from?”

Good work on the spelling, +1 you again. Practice makes perfect, I suppose. God gives us each and every thing we have…from the RIGHT to breath, to the right to speak coherently, or the right to live another day through his grace. Also, the RIGHTS we enjoy as Americans as numerated per our constitution are also ALLOWED by God’s, and only God’s grace. If God decides to disallow the continued enjoyment of the rights allowed within the constitution He can at His will.

Oh crap, it’s getting tricky now…stay with me. There are two overlapping issues here. God given rights, and constitutionally given rights. It works like this, first came God (Or GOD as you like to say), who created everything, and rules supremely over all at will. God also sent his only begotten son, Jesus to die for our sins. When on Earth Jesus preached of The Lord’s love, and He left behind a legacy and a message that was later put into what we call The Bible with the help of many authors, and a single God. Then came a couple thousand years, a few things happened here and there, and then there was the United States of America. The USA also had some leaders, and created some legal documents to uphold the law of the land. Within these documents were RIGHTS that were granted BY THE GOVERNMENT OF AMERICA, not God. See the difference? So we have two things: A.) “God given rights,” which you think exist, but in reality the closest thing to a “God given right” is a gift (To answer your question on what it was called) from God through his grace. In other words, God can ALLOW you to have certain rights, but just as easily and without reason or warning, He can remove those “rights.”
And B.) Constitutionally given rights. These are rights that a government extends to the people of its nation, but the government’s power falls short of God’s.

Do you get it now? I sure hope so, because holy crap I don’t think I can make it any simpler for you to follow.


“When the trials of my probationary state are over I hope to dwell in the house, not built with hands, eternal in the Heavens, so mote it be. Unless and until God calls me home I retain my RIGHTS. Not privileges, but rights. They are mine by birth, endowed upon me by my creator and no one can take them from me.”

Please, please tell me that I don’t have explain this any more than I already have. Better yet, if you want to prove me wrong, quote from The Bible the section that talks about the RIGHTS, not privileges, but RIGHTS God has given you or any other human being. Once you do that, I will bow down to you.

 

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you my friend are nothing but a bystander. If you want to act as you respond then enlist and show your worth. Any fool can write a reply as witty as yours. You need to bleed a bit before you heal. If you walk the walk then talk the talk.... I can read between the lines as well as the next guy and i have what it takes to back it all up, not a problem. I am an old fart in your eyes but if not for us old farts you could be driving a yugo today. Get over yourself man and get your young self enlisted then talk...


PS i love you guys & gals....

 

If you understood that it was not directed at you then why did you make a personal attack on me?

When I was your age I was a SGT in the Army with a wife and child, and troops to look after, and an overseas tour under my belt. When you’re my age maybe you can buy another truck with CASH, put a 50k down payment on a house and meet the note. Your monetary accomplishments though worthy do not impress me.


No antics, simply stating a fact.

So it’s perfectly reasonable for you to attack a poster, question their education and intelligence yet when they point out glaring errors in your own post they have somehow offended your honor and it’s ‘grade school antics’?

So after 8 pages your position is that I was correct on page 1? Whew, I’m glad we got that over with.

Wrong. The Government of America gave us no rights. The Founding Fathers merely recognized our inherent rights, which we got from God, and made them the basis upon which this country’s legal system was founded. No rights stem from the constitution itself.

It’s called death. No one can have their rights taken from them. They can be suppressed and infringed upon, but you can not take them. By the virtue of being born, drawing breath and living, we have rights. You can call them ‘gifts’ if you so desire.


They are enumerated in the Constitution, they are not given by the constitution.

Danged 5000 character limit.

 

Yes I get it, you are wholly incapable of understanding how this country was founded and basic civics. No need to further demonstrate those facts.
There is no need to bow to anyone, let alone me. Do you have to read something from the Bible for it to be true? Unalienable rights came from the Enlightenment, the Deists, but the concept is biblical…Life is sacred because it is in the image of God.

 

If I ever get to NY or you make it to southern VA the first round is on me.

 

I'm not even going to waste my time to try and address the same topics another 10 times.

You have switched what you are trying to argue an easy 5 times now. I've met women more decisive than you. It's pathetic. You say whatever you think is the best way to save face for the latest reply, without ACTUALLY addressing the specifics of what is said...and think that counts for something.

You have yet to honestly and earnestly reply to a single point I've made. You are absolutely incapable of holding a two-sided conversation because you are too stupid. There, I said it. I called you stupid. But there is no other way to explain how we have gone through this many pages of typing without you being able to be MAN enough to admit defeat. I have plainly, AS PLAINLY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE spelled this out so that a child could understand what was at hand, and each and every time you find a way to avoid what is being discussed and somehow convince yourself and your audience of hard head friends that what you said was actually coherent.

I even linked this to a few friends, and random people that were visiting at the house and all of them plainly were capable of understanding the concept of God given rights, or the lack there of. You on the other hand just won't admit the fact that you are wrong.

I SAID, IF YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, AND WANT TO SETTLE THIS, GO FIND YOUR DIETY, HOLY CRAP AND SHOW ME THE PART ABOUT GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. Just do it if it's so true. It's that easy, you've got a few versions of The Bible laying around, right?


I'll be waiting.

 

I am not willing to give up any of my rights for "safety". Apparently someone else has decided to take them away without asking my permission! If that means terrorists attack (even me, or my family) then bring it! If you kill or injure me or someone in my family, we will kill you back.

 

Keep flapping your gums junior. You are nothing more than a young punk too stupid to read english. Your debating skills consist of making a claim and throwing a fit when no one takes your bait. Skill which I might add that are easily outclassed by even my 5 year old. He at least uses logic when forming his arguments and he has yet to make a personal attack when losing an argument. You made the claim about 'God given' rights and the bible, not I. Your position in a different situation is this...If I said that GM recommends Dexcool in their products, you're screaming, yelling, and calling me a fool because it doesn't say so in your F-150 owners manual.