What’s a rebuttle? Perhaps you meant rebuttal? I appreciate your attempts to handle me with kid gloves, but next time you should unveil spell check first, you will appear more educated.*


My wife just KNEW that she had won the lottery last week, my Great Aunt Jenny just KNEW that she’d won the Publishers House sweepstakes and that Ed McMahon was going to knock on her door any minute now. The PATRIOT Act and other legislation just HAS to be just and sound right? It is named “PATRIOT” for starters so that right there makes it inviolable. It was passed by a Republican controlled Congress and signed by President Bush, a Republican. By GOD, anyone opposed to such a piece of legislation must be down right unpatriotic!

The Government had most of the tools that they needed to track terrorists already at their disposal before 9-11-01. A few tweaks here and there to remove the muzzle placed on US Intelligence agencies over the years and they’d have been in fine shape. The Patriot Act was not necessary to fight the Global War on Terrorism ™ GW Bush’s comments about ‘needing tools’ to fight terrorism is a crock of PR fecal matter. He wants to do things his way, Constitution be damned.

Unless and until you’ve been where I’ve been, done what I’ve done, and seen what I have seen, you would be best served to keep the rhetoric to yourself. Lest you appear even more ignorant than you already do.

No kidding? They actually said that? I had no idea they were that upset with us, thanks for informing me.

If you are too stupid to recognize a paraphrase of Shakespeare (another old dead guy) or Olde English you would might feel more comfortable at a website geared toward your intellect such as this one.

Once again you have demonstrated that your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired in an adult level conversation. GOD given, as referenced by our Founding Fathers in our Declaration of Independence, means they are innate.

 

in·nate P Pronunciation Key ( -n t , n t )
adj.
1. Possessed at birth; inborn.
2. Possessed as an essential characteristic; inherent.
3. Of or produced by the mind rather than learned through experience: an innate knowledge of right and wrong.
They are also Constitutionally ENUMERATED.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/enumerated
e·nu·mer·ate P Pronunciation Key ( -n m -r t , -ny -)
tr.v. e·nu·mer·at·ed, e·nu·mer·at·ing, e·nu·mer·ates
1. To count off or name one by one; list: A spokesperson enumerated the strikers' demands.
2. To determine the number of; count.
None of our rights are derived from the Constitution itself, they are merely enumerated there as a safeguard for the people. If you want to get down to brass tacks the Constitution is not a list of rights of the people, but rather a document that limits the power of the Federal Government. “Congress shall make no law…”


KJV or NIV? The Bible is a guide for our souls, the Constitution is the rule and guide of the land. It is the Supreme law of the Land. It is not a ‘living document’ to be interpreted at will, but it can be amended with due process. As far as the this country is concerned and governed it is THE truth.

[QUOTE]Our forefathers were just as capable of taking things out of context as you have demonstrated yourself to be with your previous posts. Hate to burst your bubble sonny, but they were not implying that God gave everyone the right to privacy...or any right at all for that matter. [QUOTE]

What have I taken out of context? Your errant ramblings?
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Then to whom were they referring? Are they saying that my biological parents are the ones who endowed me with my rights? Certainly you jest.
I never once made reference to a bible, you did. I am not going to fight your own argument with yourself.

[QUOTE]"It's not about whether or not they can monitor everyone
24/7, they have no right to proceed the way they are."

WRONG, that's exactly what it is about...you're just too caught up being a blubbering idiot to realize it. Let's talk real world applications here... since that is what we are talking about, right? That said, then the government having a right to, say, monitor my thoughts when I am flying a Deathstar in my made up reality while I am day dreaming wouldn't matter since having the RIGHT wouldn't actually make them capable of doing it. Right?[QUOTE]

Have you ever been a member if the Intelligence Community? Have you ever been a n Intelligence Professional? I have and I am here to tell you that you do not WTF you speak about. Not a damn thing. If you knew half, or even a quarter of what you thought you did you would not be arguing with me over this. You are parroting what you see on television like the good little sheep you are.

They do not have that right. They already possess the means to do most anything they want, it does not give them the right or authority to use those means. What they have to gain is knowledge and knowledge is power.

It’s more like that of the USSR than Germany, but parallels can be drawn to each. We are moving towards socialism every day.

 

Are you fawkin nuts? Open your eyes man, the world would love to see us fall. Even some people here want us to follow the path to socialism like Europe did in the last 50 years. The UN would LOVE to be able to tell the US to stick it and impose it’s resolutions on us, the citizens of the US. No one in the world would come to our aide if some despot used the tools implemented by GW and used them against us.

The world is a sinister place and the United States Government is not immune to abuse of power, I prefer to limit the damage they can do, especially when their actions fly in direct opposition to the principles on which we were founded and violate the oath that they all took.

 

You may be interested in this post, which died a horribly fast death.

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=243195



Your mention of a similiarity to the USSR is actually mentioned:

 

Go Pony....and Go Vader (I liked your socialist thread....I just think it went over most members heads....too subtle....hehe)........

 

Cute, you can’t attack the argument so you attack the person. Weren’t you the one accusing me of being uneducated and not getting out much?

Again you might want to pay attention to your spelling. Fat fingers can hinder your argument something fierce.

[QQUOTE]"This country has the innate duty to protect itself and her citizens." That's exactly right. And in order to protect our citizens we must all make a small sacrifice knowing that our "privacy" can POTENTIALLY (KEY HERE, a point you have missed ENTIRELY) be broken FOR THE SAKE OF THE SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS. Not so Uncle Sam can see what you like to eat, where, or masterbate with, but to monitor for terrorist activeity. Unless you have gang-bang sessions with terrorists I fail to see how this would effect you.[/QUOTE]

You are the one who misses the point. You are the one who misses the point. “Those who would give up ESSENTIAL LIBERTY to purchase a little TEMPORARY SAFETY, deserve neither LIBERTY nor SAFETY.” – Credited to Benjamin Franklin

It affects me because at any time if some dipstick in power decides that people in category X are ‘terrorists’ then it could be me that they’re spying on, tapping my lines, searching my computer, and confiscating my property. You would cheer such and action though because you would no doubt be glued to the television intently listening to how the government is bravely protecting you and your fellow citizens keeping you ‘safe’.

I would rather die free than to live as a slave. Take that to the bank. Stripping Americans of their rights is treasonous. No piece of legislation is going to stop a determined foe and violating our rights is unconstitutional.
I am unwilling to give up ANY of my rights. Period. No right is more or less important than the others, they are all equal. If you can not understand this then you are hopelessly lost, may your chains rest lightly upon you.

You sound like a scared little woman cowering in fear of the boogey man. How pathetic. You are not alone though, there are emasculated men all over the US. You can gather for group hugs to comfort one another while the real men fight and die for freedom.

 

Well hell, I guess if no one's reporting on it then it just hasn't happened huh? Why ddin't I think of that?

 

I make one comment in this thread and it gets singled out of all the ramblings and nastiness. Hmmmmmm.

 

You made one small comment...


To which Vader responded.

How do you figure that you were singled out for 'ramblings and nastiness'?

 

Singled out from all the ramblings and nastiness. Meaning some people are throwing all these nasty comments back and forth to eachother. My one sentence comment I guess warranted being singled out among all that.

All I was saying is that I agree with Krohbar. The government is not going to monitor you or I (unless you or I are considered possible terrorists). Which I know I'm not. I say listen to their calls. Catch them before it happens.

 

Why post a comment if you did not want someone to respond to it? This is not about the government listening to me calling my wife our you yaking with your girlfriends. It is about rights and Liberty.

 

Rights and liberty for who? The terrorists!!!!! They should have no rights in this country.

 

...but you should....that is the WHOLE point to this thread....

 

And I do....and will. I believe that the government knows exactly who they will pinpoint. They're not going to listen in on me or you. So we will still have our rights as AMERICANS.

I was extremely close to 9/11 as you can tell by where I live. I lost someone I knew that day too. Many people I know were left stranded in the city to witness the destruction. It devasted me as well as the entire country. It will be embedded in my mind forever. If listening in on suspected terrorists phone calls may prevent something like that in the future, I say go for it. Even if my "rights and liberty" are compromised.

 

this precise statement that you made (as well as NUMEROUS other Americans) is what is going to allow a VERY VERY dangerous precident.....one that will be even harder to over-turn.......as little as it may seem.....it will cause irreversible damage to our future.....