Rafa26, Project Becoming A Reality .
Originally Posted by 05RoushMarkLT
rafa, looking good!
Can't wait to hear the results once you put your foot into it. Do you have an expected completion date?
Can't wait to hear the results once you put your foot into it. Do you have an expected completion date?
Originally Posted by Josiah
Just another admiring your work rafa. I still don't understand how there are pro's to the 3v vs 4v. I'm aware DOHC's have an abundance of top end, and I'm assuming the low end is nothing to complain about either. More air/fuel mixture, better flow, etc. Someone smart, chime in and explain.
Learn on post #12 and #72.
one last small detail about 3v.
tumble port 4v has the intake charge targeted at the back of the valves. they have flat port floors where the charge overshots the front side of the valves to an extent. they still out flow, but at a price.
3v ports are superior in that manner.
achieving laminar flow with high port velocity produces excellent filling at low rpms. never forget max lift flow numbers are the same for "B" heads and "C" tumble port heads achieve completely different results for torque. 'b' heads have very little in a usable band and 'c' do. intake port CC's and resulting velocity are the culprit. low intake charge velocity and reduced charge filling take it's toll.
3v heads afford low intake port CC's and still have reasonable HP and max lift flow.
notice aluminum gt-40 pushrod heads flow 240 intake / 177 exhaust and i have witnessed 400hp in a 302 with box stockers. that's about the same as ours stock. add 28 cu.in. and ~40cfm and wellah, big power.
4v>3v>2v
don't under appreciate the effect of VCT in this equation. broad torque no 4v can match without it.
3v makes 295lb-ft at 1500 if i remember right. 300+ at 5100 compare that to a navi. top end and low end. VCT.
tumble port 4v has the intake charge targeted at the back of the valves. they have flat port floors where the charge overshots the front side of the valves to an extent. they still out flow, but at a price.
3v ports are superior in that manner.
achieving laminar flow with high port velocity produces excellent filling at low rpms. never forget max lift flow numbers are the same for "B" heads and "C" tumble port heads achieve completely different results for torque. 'b' heads have very little in a usable band and 'c' do. intake port CC's and resulting velocity are the culprit. low intake charge velocity and reduced charge filling take it's toll.
3v heads afford low intake port CC's and still have reasonable HP and max lift flow.
notice aluminum gt-40 pushrod heads flow 240 intake / 177 exhaust and i have witnessed 400hp in a 302 with box stockers. that's about the same as ours stock. add 28 cu.in. and ~40cfm and wellah, big power.
4v>3v>2v
don't under appreciate the effect of VCT in this equation. broad torque no 4v can match without it.
3v makes 295lb-ft at 1500 if i remember right. 300+ at 5100 compare that to a navi. top end and low end. VCT.
I can vouch for the low torque with the 4V heads.
With 620.51 HP (at 6000) I only have 606.74 torque (3700). In reality it's above 600 lbs from 3000 to 5000.
Bummer!
With 620.51 HP (at 6000) I only have 606.74 torque (3700). In reality it's above 600 lbs from 3000 to 5000.
Bummer!
Last edited by madferraristi; Nov 2, 2006 at 11:51 AM.
Originally Posted by a n t h o n y
Seems kind of funny you are using JDM to build your engine and Factory Tech for your tranny. Did you look into VT Engines ?
Originally Posted by madferraristi
I can vouch for the low torque with the 4V heads.
With 620.51 HP (at 6000) I only have 606.74 torque (3700). In reality it's above 600 lbs from 3000 to 5000.
Bummer!
With 620.51 HP (at 6000) I only have 606.74 torque (3700). In reality it's above 600 lbs from 3000 to 5000.
Bummer!

i had to leave suddenly without finishing my point.
i looked at your dyno, and i need more info to illustrate my point.
it appears you have essentially a boosted navi. i have a few questions.
1. what cams are you using?
2. head work done?
3. what intake?
4. why keep the rpm so low, it wastes HP 4v navi's are capable of? ie 1355hp procharged on race gas.(mild)
more soon.....
ok, more. remember that your truck is killer, but...
stock lightnings make 505fwtq. you make 720fwtq.
johnny lightnings make ~600rwhp on pump you make 600 rwhp.
it seems you kept it mild and tuned it for low end. even an F1 engine can be tuned for 1000 rpm idle and low end, but is it the strong suit? not really, an F1 likes to idle at 9000 !!!!! that's really the point here, not whether a 4v can be DEtuned for low end. a 3v with vct makes both even when tuned for high rpm HP. VCT. nuff said....
stock lightnings make 505fwtq. you make 720fwtq.
johnny lightnings make ~600rwhp on pump you make 600 rwhp.
it seems you kept it mild and tuned it for low end. even an F1 engine can be tuned for 1000 rpm idle and low end, but is it the strong suit? not really, an F1 likes to idle at 9000 !!!!! that's really the point here, not whether a 4v can be DEtuned for low end. a 3v with vct makes both even when tuned for high rpm HP. VCT. nuff said....
Originally Posted by FX4F150FX4
Is this going in your Lincoln?? If so what are you doing with your whipple??? If it is going to be for sale I have someone who is very interested... Thanks.
what i like about this project is that....
in spite of the power the basic motor will make, nothing is left out. too many times a blower is bolted on, and that's it. loads of power are left on the table. for example...
windage tray= 30hp
electric water pump = 15hp
killer exhaust = ~20hp
low weight oil = 5hp
polished (and i mean really polished) rear end gears = ~ 3 percent driveline losses
vacuum pumping crankcase = 15hp
true matching headers (1 7/8") = ~20-40hp
knife edged counterweights on crank = ~ 5hp
cool running = 2 - 5hp per ten degrees
etc.etc.etc
these are the kind of thing that i call FREE power. they cost a little but add up.
in spite of the power the basic motor will make, nothing is left out. too many times a blower is bolted on, and that's it. loads of power are left on the table. for example...
windage tray= 30hp
electric water pump = 15hp
killer exhaust = ~20hp
low weight oil = 5hp
polished (and i mean really polished) rear end gears = ~ 3 percent driveline losses
vacuum pumping crankcase = 15hp
true matching headers (1 7/8") = ~20-40hp
knife edged counterweights on crank = ~ 5hp
cool running = 2 - 5hp per ten degrees
etc.etc.etc
these are the kind of thing that i call FREE power. they cost a little but add up.




Looks very sharp. I bet you don’t still live with your folks either.