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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jims94vmx
here are my numbers that i just got. its an 04 fx4 with 3.73 and the 5.4. no other mods.
0-60 6.9
60' time 1.76 @ 30.9
1/8 mile 9.47 @70.2
1/4 mile 15.16 @ 84.9

this was at level 2 octane at 89 shift points 1-2 (2) 2-3 (2) 3-4 (1)
wot fuel was 1.3 tire size was 2559
here's another run i did on the way home. notice my 0-60' times are similar!
the only difference today was the shift firmness was set to 0. funny how the overall speed was better on the second run but slower time. can't wait to put in the 91 octane level and do another test. also still want to compare stock numbers after all this. the slower 60' time was more tire spin on takeoff.....hope this helps....

next run

60' =2.47@ 28.2
1/8= 10.15@ 71.00
1/4= 15.8 @ 85.4

two 0-60mph runs (today) were 6.9 and 6.97
 
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 04:40 PM
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A 1.76s 60' time is a little hard to believe, some days at the track, my 12s mustang on slicks pulls similar 60' times.
 
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 05:08 PM
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First off thanks to the two guys w/ both tuners for posting info on both. I have a quick question, some of you have been posting about sending the xcal2 tuner back to T.P. after the dealer reflashes your pcm, I was under the impression that the xcal2 had the ability to hook up to a comp for updates - is this true?

The website includes this :
"7.) USB cable required to connect the Xcalibrator 2 to your laptop or desktop PC for things like datalogging, email program updates, Internet firmware updates, etc."
 
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Budha05STX
First off thanks to the two guys w/ both tuners for posting info on both. I have a quick question, some of you have been posting about sending the xcal2 tuner back to T.P. after the dealer reflashes your pcm, I was under the impression that the xcal2 had the ability to hook up to a comp for updates - is this true?

The website includes this :
"7.) USB cable required to connect the Xcalibrator 2 to your laptop or desktop PC for things like datalogging, email program updates, Internet firmware updates, etc."

I think that is another $65 or so option..Not 100% sure..but look on the website and it should have an option to order the email updates
 
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nvrenuff
A 1.76s 60' time is a little hard to believe, some days at the track, my 12s mustang on slicks pulls similar 60' times.
You got to remember that the program included with EDGE isn't an official Christmas tree...so I can see where the 60' time would be lower. You press a button...then wait a second then stomp on it. Not exactly like sitting on the line waiting to see a Christmas Tree light up.
 
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FX4_Guy
You got to remember that the program included with EDGE isn't an official Christmas tree...so I can see where the 60' time would be lower. You press a button...then wait a second then stomp on it. Not exactly like sitting on the line waiting to see a Christmas Tree light up.

Not really. It it exactly like a real christmas tree.

If you leave early, it red lights. If you don't leave at all, the timer doesn't start until you do.
 
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dave8311
Not really. It it exactly like a real christmas tree.

If you leave early, it red lights. If you don't leave at all, the timer doesn't start until you do.
what I meant was that the user has total control of when to start the tree....therefore you can anticipate the green better than relying on somebody else to start the tree.
 
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FX4_Guy
what I meant was that the user has total control of when to start the tree....therefore you can anticipate the green better than relying on somebody else to start the tree.
That still doesn't mean anything. Your ET has no relationship to your "christmas tree" start. It measures the time when you broke the starting beam till you pass the 1/4 mile beam. Your time isn't adjusted to account for how early or late you started accelerating.

I think your timing device that you used for the 1.76 60' time is a LITTLE off You'd be picking up pieces of your driveline after that... IF your tires hooked up.
 
Old Jan 7, 2006 | 11:21 PM
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why are there any personal attacks anyway. this is opinionated blogging. if you disagree with a point of view state it and keep the reat to yourself. i stated in another thread... you guys have a special piece here(5.4 3v). with vct your tune can make HP limited only by your lift and duration, not by cam phasing. ther are going to be innovativr tuners that are going to take advantage of that fact and reatrd the cams for big HP gains. i fully expect to get more HP just by revving it higher. just because it is rated a (X) rpms, doesn't mean it makes more than that at just a few hundred more rpm's. you are no longer just tuning fual and spark curves, you are phasing the cams in conjunction.
 
Old Jan 8, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JD TIT
That still doesn't mean anything. Your ET has no relationship to your "christmas tree" start. It measures the time when you broke the starting beam till you pass the 1/4 mile beam. Your time isn't adjusted to account for how early or late you started accelerating.

I think your timing device that you used for the 1.76 60' time is a LITTLE off You'd be picking up pieces of your driveline after that... IF your tires hooked up.
i agree with the above...that is why i did it again and definately got slower numbers. don't know what happened on the 1st run. i definately got a better hookup with little spin on the first run though...second run really spun the tires. double checked all the inputs especially tire size and gearing and they are ok....most likely just not real accurate, but gives you an idea anyway....
 
Old Jan 8, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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Apology to HWM3

Sorry for doubting your numbers, i truly believe they are real. That being said, i went to my hunting camp this weekend and did a 1/4 test with mine using the edge timer. 15.13 at 92 mph. 3/4 tank of gas, full load of tools/hunting stuff and 2 hrs of 80mph heat in the engine. I still have the shift settings at stock, so there is more there. Remember, i have a 2wd screw. Dont know how accurate the edge timer is though. Can you do a comparo between the edge and gtech timers?
I dont think there is "much" difference between an adjusted Edge and a Troyer tune. That is my opinion though and a dyno test would be very interesting to see.
 
Old Jan 8, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hwm3
So many variables are involved there just isn't any way to compare what someone else ran in a different truck, different temps, different elevations......

This is why I used the Gtech to time and not the Edge, one less variable.

I'm sure the Edge is capable of producing the same results as the Xcal2, it's just a matter of finding the right combination. That's where I think the Xcal2 has the big advantage, someone has already done the work for you. All you have to do is load it and enjoy.

Load it and enjoy? BS!! to get the full performance you have to spend much dollars and time to tweak the Xcal 2 (datalogging) I think it might be worth it, but the work is not "already done for you"
 
Old Jan 8, 2006 | 04:38 PM
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Interesting thread..
 
Old Jan 8, 2006 | 06:25 PM
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Are all the parameters available to you in the xcal2? So that, provided you had the ability, you could simply adjust the fuel etc yourself instead of waiting for MT to send you the cure? Is it another 6 week wait when you send in the data? Just curious as to how that's done.

Bill
 
Old Jan 8, 2006 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cobraman302
Just to give you an idea, I just did a run on my truck which is an 06 5.4 4x4 supercab with 3.55's and did a 15.49 @88.7 MPH. This is a bone stock truck otherwise except for a 2.5" Autospring spacer. My settings were at 1.85 WOT Fuel and 93 octaneand upped the sift firmness a bit. Also did a 0-60 at 7.20 seconds.
I do not see how you got a 7.2 0-60. Look at all my mods, and you beat me with just a tuner, with my XCal2 and the rest of the mods I am running a 7.4 0-60 or so. I STILL can't beat that stupid lowered stock Chevy (flowmaster exhaust only). I have 3.73's as well so I would imagine that would be an advantage over you, I am guessing you are only 200-300lbs less than I am as I am an Screw and you, Scab. I am extremely disappointed in hearing all this.
 

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