Edge vs. TP Xcal2 acceleration times
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I too am looking hard at the tuner possibilities, and the XCal2 wait time is a factor. The Edge has a bit more flexibility in it, and makes it a great option between a Superchips and the XCal2. If the XCal2 has one downfall, it is the problem of having a dealer reflash your PCM, possibly rendering it useless - at least until you update it - according to their tech support.
Any decision you make should be based on your needs, not some numbers.....
I too would have bought another sports car or a motorcycle if looking for absolute performance, but maybe my age is keeping me from looking for the 'hottest truck in town"...
Thanks for shelling out your money to give info to those not willing to do the same. Right now, you are the only person with the right to say one is better than the other!
Any decision you make should be based on your needs, not some numbers.....
I too would have bought another sports car or a motorcycle if looking for absolute performance, but maybe my age is keeping me from looking for the 'hottest truck in town"...
Thanks for shelling out your money to give info to those not willing to do the same. Right now, you are the only person with the right to say one is better than the other!
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[QUOTE=hwm3]Here's a couple pics of the Gtech times I got a couple of weeks ago for those looking for verification.
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And thanks for the info.
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If you're towing somthing that you SERIOUSLY need to worry about trans temps... a trans temp guage should be #1 on your mod list, followed by a larger trans cooler.
Anything more, you shoulda bought a diesel.
I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but if a 1/2 ton pickup won't do the job without having to worry bout drivetrain inability, you shoulda bought a bigger truck.
Anything more, you shoulda bought a diesel.
I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but if a 1/2 ton pickup won't do the job without having to worry bout drivetrain inability, you shoulda bought a bigger truck.
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here are my numbers that i just got. its an 04 fx4 with 3.73 and the 5.4. no other mods.
0-60 6.9
60' time 1.76 @ 30.9
1/8 mile 9.47 @70.2
1/4 mile 15.16 @ 84.9
this was at level 2 octane at 89 shift points 1-2 (2) 2-3 (2) 3-4 (1)
wot fuel was 1.3 tire size was 2559
0-60 6.9
60' time 1.76 @ 30.9
1/8 mile 9.47 @70.2
1/4 mile 15.16 @ 84.9
this was at level 2 octane at 89 shift points 1-2 (2) 2-3 (2) 3-4 (1)
wot fuel was 1.3 tire size was 2559
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From: Fayetteville, AR
Originally Posted by jims94vmx
here are my numbers that i just got. its an 04 fx4 with 3.73 and the 5.4. no other mods.
0-60 6.9
60' time 1.76 @ 30.9
1/8 mile 9.47 @70.2
1/4 mile 15.16 @ 84.9
this was at level 2 octane at 89 shift points 1-2 (2) 2-3 (2) 3-4 (1)
wot fuel was 1.3 tire size was 2559
0-60 6.9
60' time 1.76 @ 30.9
1/8 mile 9.47 @70.2
1/4 mile 15.16 @ 84.9
this was at level 2 octane at 89 shift points 1-2 (2) 2-3 (2) 3-4 (1)
wot fuel was 1.3 tire size was 2559
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I for one am having a very hard time believing the 1 second difference stated. And that doubt, comes from an engineer who spent years doing R&D for Chrysler on...engine controllers.
Further, anyone claiming to be the only 'guru' in existence is simply full of it. I've gone over MT's website. Where is the custom tuning option? Where you bring your truck to him and he puts it on his dyno while tuning it. There is none offered on his website, nor any reference to his facility at all. Does he own a dyno? At $400 per tune, wouldn't take a serious performance tuner long to buy one. 6 weeks delivery time? On a unit that he calls florida and buys, then puts his own numbers into and ships out. 6 weeks? This is run from someone's basement. And all the employees, family members or friends of his in here slamming other tuners and claiming he's 'the man' in tuning....please, that sales tactic has been around since the internet was invented. I just don't buy it. On Chevy Talks forum we busted a ring doing exactly this kind of thing. It's a pretty captive audience in here, and a few 'anonymous' praises can bring a lot of money someone's way...especially if there are ficticious numbers attached that they never have to prove.
I'm not saying MT's 'tune' won't make your truck faster than stock, but I am very much doubting everything else that is claimed. And it's as much a custom tune as the edge is. Only difference is, you pay for the dyno and datalogging..and he tells you that a lean mixture means turn up the fuel.
I guess I could be wrong, and admit that...but this sure looks a LOT like the internet sales scams that have been around since the dawn of the net. Sure, you do get a product, and possibly a good product...but there is a sales tactic being used here that is far from uncommon.
Bill
Further, anyone claiming to be the only 'guru' in existence is simply full of it. I've gone over MT's website. Where is the custom tuning option? Where you bring your truck to him and he puts it on his dyno while tuning it. There is none offered on his website, nor any reference to his facility at all. Does he own a dyno? At $400 per tune, wouldn't take a serious performance tuner long to buy one. 6 weeks delivery time? On a unit that he calls florida and buys, then puts his own numbers into and ships out. 6 weeks? This is run from someone's basement. And all the employees, family members or friends of his in here slamming other tuners and claiming he's 'the man' in tuning....please, that sales tactic has been around since the internet was invented. I just don't buy it. On Chevy Talks forum we busted a ring doing exactly this kind of thing. It's a pretty captive audience in here, and a few 'anonymous' praises can bring a lot of money someone's way...especially if there are ficticious numbers attached that they never have to prove.
I'm not saying MT's 'tune' won't make your truck faster than stock, but I am very much doubting everything else that is claimed. And it's as much a custom tune as the edge is. Only difference is, you pay for the dyno and datalogging..and he tells you that a lean mixture means turn up the fuel.
I guess I could be wrong, and admit that...but this sure looks a LOT like the internet sales scams that have been around since the dawn of the net. Sure, you do get a product, and possibly a good product...but there is a sales tactic being used here that is far from uncommon.
Bill
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Originally Posted by billindenver
I for one am having a very hard time believing the 1 second difference stated. And that doubt, comes from an engineer who spent years doing R&D for Chrysler on...engine controllers.
Further, anyone claiming to be the only 'guru' in existence is simply full of it. I've gone over MT's website. Where is the custom tuning option? Where you bring your truck to him and he puts it on his dyno while tuning it. There is none offered on his website, nor any reference to his facility at all. Does he own a dyno? At $400 per tune, wouldn't take a serious performance tuner long to buy one. 6 weeks delivery time? On a unit that he calls florida and buys, then puts his own numbers into and ships out. 6 weeks? This is run from someone's basement. And all the employees, family members or friends of his in here slamming other tuners and claiming he's 'the man' in tuning....please, that sales tactic has been around since the internet was invented. I just don't buy it. On Chevy Talks forum we busted a ring doing exactly this kind of thing. It's a pretty captive audience in here, and a few 'anonymous' praises can bring a lot of money someone's way...especially if there are ficticious numbers attached that they never have to prove.
I'm not saying MT's 'tune' won't make your truck faster than stock, but I am very much doubting everything else that is claimed. And it's as much a custom tune as the edge is. Only difference is, you pay for the dyno and datalogging..and he tells you that a lean mixture means turn up the fuel.
I guess I could be wrong, and admit that...but this sure looks a LOT like the internet sales scams that have been around since the dawn of the net. Sure, you do get a product, and possibly a good product...but there is a sales tactic being used here that is far from uncommon.
Bill
Further, anyone claiming to be the only 'guru' in existence is simply full of it. I've gone over MT's website. Where is the custom tuning option? Where you bring your truck to him and he puts it on his dyno while tuning it. There is none offered on his website, nor any reference to his facility at all. Does he own a dyno? At $400 per tune, wouldn't take a serious performance tuner long to buy one. 6 weeks delivery time? On a unit that he calls florida and buys, then puts his own numbers into and ships out. 6 weeks? This is run from someone's basement. And all the employees, family members or friends of his in here slamming other tuners and claiming he's 'the man' in tuning....please, that sales tactic has been around since the internet was invented. I just don't buy it. On Chevy Talks forum we busted a ring doing exactly this kind of thing. It's a pretty captive audience in here, and a few 'anonymous' praises can bring a lot of money someone's way...especially if there are ficticious numbers attached that they never have to prove.
I'm not saying MT's 'tune' won't make your truck faster than stock, but I am very much doubting everything else that is claimed. And it's as much a custom tune as the edge is. Only difference is, you pay for the dyno and datalogging..and he tells you that a lean mixture means turn up the fuel.
I guess I could be wrong, and admit that...but this sure looks a LOT like the internet sales scams that have been around since the dawn of the net. Sure, you do get a product, and possibly a good product...but there is a sales tactic being used here that is far from uncommon.
Bill
Let me clear a few things up for you. I am NOT affiliated with Troyer Performance in any way. This was a completely independant test that I did to try to help fellow F150online members decide what tuner was best for thier needs and to specifically avoid the type of situation you are accusing me of. I am NOT profitting from this in any way.
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Originally Posted by billindenver
I for one am having a very hard time believing the 1 second difference stated. And that doubt, comes from an engineer who spent years doing R&D for Chrysler on...engine controllers.
Further, anyone claiming to be the only 'guru' in existence is simply full of it. I've gone over MT's website. Where is the custom tuning option? Where you bring your truck to him and he puts it on his dyno while tuning it. There is none offered on his website, nor any reference to his facility at all. Does he own a dyno? At $400 per tune, wouldn't take a serious performance tuner long to buy one. 6 weeks delivery time? On a unit that he calls florida and buys, then puts his own numbers into and ships out. 6 weeks? This is run from someone's basement. And all the employees, family members or friends of his in here slamming other tuners and claiming he's 'the man' in tuning....please, that sales tactic has been around since the internet was invented. I just don't buy it. On Chevy Talks forum we busted a ring doing exactly this kind of thing. It's a pretty captive audience in here, and a few 'anonymous' praises can bring a lot of money someone's way...especially if there are ficticious numbers attached that they never have to prove.
I'm not saying MT's 'tune' won't make your truck faster than stock, but I am very much doubting everything else that is claimed. And it's as much a custom tune as the edge is. Only difference is, you pay for the dyno and datalogging..and he tells you that a lean mixture means turn up the fuel.
I guess I could be wrong, and admit that...but this sure looks a LOT like the internet sales scams that have been around since the dawn of the net. Sure, you do get a product, and possibly a good product...but there is a sales tactic being used here that is far from uncommon.
Bill
Further, anyone claiming to be the only 'guru' in existence is simply full of it. I've gone over MT's website. Where is the custom tuning option? Where you bring your truck to him and he puts it on his dyno while tuning it. There is none offered on his website, nor any reference to his facility at all. Does he own a dyno? At $400 per tune, wouldn't take a serious performance tuner long to buy one. 6 weeks delivery time? On a unit that he calls florida and buys, then puts his own numbers into and ships out. 6 weeks? This is run from someone's basement. And all the employees, family members or friends of his in here slamming other tuners and claiming he's 'the man' in tuning....please, that sales tactic has been around since the internet was invented. I just don't buy it. On Chevy Talks forum we busted a ring doing exactly this kind of thing. It's a pretty captive audience in here, and a few 'anonymous' praises can bring a lot of money someone's way...especially if there are ficticious numbers attached that they never have to prove.
I'm not saying MT's 'tune' won't make your truck faster than stock, but I am very much doubting everything else that is claimed. And it's as much a custom tune as the edge is. Only difference is, you pay for the dyno and datalogging..and he tells you that a lean mixture means turn up the fuel.
I guess I could be wrong, and admit that...but this sure looks a LOT like the internet sales scams that have been around since the dawn of the net. Sure, you do get a product, and possibly a good product...but there is a sales tactic being used here that is far from uncommon.
Bill
It's not a sales pitch. He's making independant tests, for free, for everyone to see. Take it or leave it...
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Originally Posted by hwm3
So many variables are involved there just isn't any way to compare what someone else ran in a different truck, different temps, different elevations......
This is why I used the Gtech to time and not the Edge, one less variable.
I'm sure the Edge is capable of producing the same results as the Xcal2, it's just a matter of finding the right combination. That's where I think the Xcal2 has the big advantage, someone has already done the work for you. All you have to do is load it and enjoy.
This is why I used the Gtech to time and not the Edge, one less variable.
I'm sure the Edge is capable of producing the same results as the Xcal2, it's just a matter of finding the right combination. That's where I think the Xcal2 has the big advantage, someone has already done the work for you. All you have to do is load it and enjoy.
I am curious, can you use the Edge for monitoring purposes while the Xcal2 tune is loaded? I know it works that way with the stock program.
Also, did you or could you do a 0-60 time comparison between the Edge and the G-tech. I'm not familar with how the G-tech works, so I am not sure if this is possible. Just curious as to how accurate the Edge is (given all the input data is correct).
Also, for the Edge, the manual states that several parameters can be changed that may improve 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. It would be interesting to see the results after adjusting WOT Fuel, Shifting, and maybe octane. Also, as far as the octane setting goes, I wish they would have called it something to do with timing? Someone said that you could set the octane too high, but actually not hear pinging do to the knock sensors retarding the timing. Shouldn't it be possible to record several parameters including the timing and compare them for different octane settings? This way one could tell when the timing was being affected by the knock sensors? I may be way off base, just a thought.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by MosineeFX4
hwm3,
I am curious, can you use the Edge for monitoring purposes while the Xcal2 tune is loaded? I know it works that way with the stock program.
Also, did you or could you do a 0-60 time comparison between the Edge and the G-tech. I'm not familar with how the G-tech works, so I am not sure if this is possible. Just curious as to how accurate the Edge is (given all the input data is correct).
Also, for the Edge, the manual states that several parameters can be changed that may improve 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. It would be interesting to see the results after adjusting WOT Fuel, Shifting, and maybe octane. Also, as far as the octane setting goes, I wish they would have called it something to do with timing? Someone said that you could set the octane too high, but actually not hear pinging do to the knock sensors retarding the timing. Shouldn't it be possible to record several parameters including the timing and compare them for different octane settings? This way one could tell when the timing was being affected by the knock sensors? I may be way off base, just a thought.
Thanks
I am curious, can you use the Edge for monitoring purposes while the Xcal2 tune is loaded? I know it works that way with the stock program.
Also, did you or could you do a 0-60 time comparison between the Edge and the G-tech. I'm not familar with how the G-tech works, so I am not sure if this is possible. Just curious as to how accurate the Edge is (given all the input data is correct).
Also, for the Edge, the manual states that several parameters can be changed that may improve 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. It would be interesting to see the results after adjusting WOT Fuel, Shifting, and maybe octane. Also, as far as the octane setting goes, I wish they would have called it something to do with timing? Someone said that you could set the octane too high, but actually not hear pinging do to the knock sensors retarding the timing. Shouldn't it be possible to record several parameters including the timing and compare them for different octane settings? This way one could tell when the timing was being affected by the knock sensors? I may be way off base, just a thought.
Thanks
As far as adjusting the settings, I'll try making some adjustments after I get the LM-1 installed next week. Honestly, I probably won't spend much timer tweaking the Edge tuning since I can just reinstall the Xcal2 tuning and be done. I will however make a few adjustments and report back the changes. You must remember that I am doing this on my own time and spend my own money for the gas to do this, contrary to what some want to believe.
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Originally Posted by billindenver
I for one am having a very hard time believing the 1 second difference stated. And that doubt, comes from an engineer who spent years doing R&D for Chrysler on...engine controllers.
Further, anyone claiming to be the only 'guru' in existence is simply full of it. I've gone over MT's website. Where is the custom tuning option? Where you bring your truck to him and he puts it on his dyno while tuning it. There is none offered on his website, nor any reference to his facility at all. Does he own a dyno? At $400 per tune, wouldn't take a serious performance tuner long to buy one. 6 weeks delivery time? On a unit that he calls florida and buys, then puts his own numbers into and ships out. 6 weeks? This is run from someone's basement. And all the employees, family members or friends of his in here slamming other tuners and claiming he's 'the man' in tuning....please, that sales tactic has been around since the internet was invented. I just don't buy it. On Chevy Talks forum we busted a ring doing exactly this kind of thing. It's a pretty captive audience in here, and a few 'anonymous' praises can bring a lot of money someone's way...especially if there are ficticious numbers attached that they never have to prove.
I'm not saying MT's 'tune' won't make your truck faster than stock, but I am very much doubting everything else that is claimed. And it's as much a custom tune as the edge is. Only difference is, you pay for the dyno and datalogging..and he tells you that a lean mixture means turn up the fuel.
I guess I could be wrong, and admit that...but this sure looks a LOT like the internet sales scams that have been around since the dawn of the net. Sure, you do get a product, and possibly a good product...but there is a sales tactic being used here that is far from uncommon.
Bill
Further, anyone claiming to be the only 'guru' in existence is simply full of it. I've gone over MT's website. Where is the custom tuning option? Where you bring your truck to him and he puts it on his dyno while tuning it. There is none offered on his website, nor any reference to his facility at all. Does he own a dyno? At $400 per tune, wouldn't take a serious performance tuner long to buy one. 6 weeks delivery time? On a unit that he calls florida and buys, then puts his own numbers into and ships out. 6 weeks? This is run from someone's basement. And all the employees, family members or friends of his in here slamming other tuners and claiming he's 'the man' in tuning....please, that sales tactic has been around since the internet was invented. I just don't buy it. On Chevy Talks forum we busted a ring doing exactly this kind of thing. It's a pretty captive audience in here, and a few 'anonymous' praises can bring a lot of money someone's way...especially if there are ficticious numbers attached that they never have to prove.
I'm not saying MT's 'tune' won't make your truck faster than stock, but I am very much doubting everything else that is claimed. And it's as much a custom tune as the edge is. Only difference is, you pay for the dyno and datalogging..and he tells you that a lean mixture means turn up the fuel.
I guess I could be wrong, and admit that...but this sure looks a LOT like the internet sales scams that have been around since the dawn of the net. Sure, you do get a product, and possibly a good product...but there is a sales tactic being used here that is far from uncommon.
Bill
Have you ever purchaced and had experence with a product from Troyer Performance?
Have you ever had an in depth conversation about vehicle tuning and performance with Mike Troyer?
But you call his business "An internet sales scam"
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Originally Posted by hwm3
Here's a pic for those that want to claim something biased or rigged.
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Some people are just nuts.
Last edited by Rockpick; Jan 6, 2006 at 10:20 PM.