Geez, than why the hell would you have to give him your current PCM code?

 

Troyers tune is NOT a canned tuned. You can't just get a tune from them and load it in any truck you want.

I haven't datalogged my tunes yet either. Wouldn't that make the comparison with the stock Edge tunes more valid?

Sorry if this info has upset some of you. If your happy with your Edge, that's great. No need to go bashing someone else's products.

BTW, if you missed out on the group buy, the cost of the Edge and the cost of a Troyer tuned Xcal2 are pretty equal.

 

Newt... before you make blanket statements, make sure you're informed. What you have said about XCal tunes is false.

If you like your Edge, great. If you don't like XCal tunes, great. If someone wants to mold a tuner out of playdough, cast it in superglue and run it off the nocturnal emissions from orangatangs , great...

Just go away with your Edge is holier than thou speech. Okay? No one cares.

If you like it, that's all that matters.

RP

 

That my friend, was funny stuff!

 

I'm amused that the Troyer vs. Edge debate is hotter than a Ford vs. Chevy debate. It's almost like politics.

Vote Ford-Edge in '08!

 

Pathetic is more like it.

 

I stand by my original post. The Troyer tune is a canned tune untill you go through the data loging process. Think back about the part about the Xcal2 being for ALL 99 & up Ford vehicles. Whereas the Edge is specifically for 04-06 F-150's.

For all the Troyerites who are getting bent out of shape, show me where I've said either the Xcal2 or the Edge is superior.

 

But you had to know it was only a matter of time?!? This test was clearly biased from the start. I mean why would a regular guy come in and try to give regular, real world observations on products??? To do his best to compare products that a lot of people here consider spending thier hard earned $'s on???

He obviously had an agenda. If he really wanted to provide a valuable service he would have gone out and rented a dyno for a day and had a bunch of experts come in with their white lab coat and debate the equities of each run and tweeked the products between runs. The intelligence that was so obviously ommitted ought to scream prejudice to everyone.

If we have all learned one thing it should be that honest attempts to provide information that could prove beneficial to 99% of the members here can be blown up by the remaining 1% that CLEARLY have the best interests of the other 99% at heart.

So I say, hwm3 thanks, but no thanks! Until you have the $40,000 (or whatever the price tag would be) to do the test RIGHT, just stop right in your tracks. And if you do finally get your act together, then please run it through the board experts first. I would hate to waste my time on real world applications again... the lab it where it counts!

 

It's as bad as the weight police on the RV Forum.

 

I think your really confuesed.

MT needs your PCM code because your tunes are tuned to that PCM code. It might not be a true custom tune but it sure as hell isn't a canned tune.

 

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.

Have a nice day

 

Thanks for sharing your personal experience here hwm3 !! Great post man. I had the xcal2, Troyer tuned, on my 05 Lariat, traded the 05 for an 06 FX4. Only ran MT's 93 octane perf tune, from the day it arrived.

Sent the xcal2 back to Troyer last week to get reprogrammed for the new pcm code. Both trucks have Airaid cai, catback SIDO and just waiting on getting tuner back now. ( gives me time to hit 1000 mile breakin before loading tune.) Always run Sunoco 94 octane Ultra, since we can get the octane in this area, and the station is next to a convience store that sells gas so it is very competitive priced, so I would not run any tune less than a 93 octane one and would not purchase a tuner that wasn't timed for this octane level. I have a wedding in Virgina next fall and will try and arrange a visit to new Troyer shop and get him to make any final adjustments to the baseline tune. He will tune his baseline for the Airaid or AF1 mod, since they only recommend these 2 intakes. I have no interest in all the data logging myself, or adjusting any tuning parameters myself, I'll leave that to those who know, I just want to spend 90 seconds to load a 93 octane tune, then drive around with a grin from ear to ear every time I tach it up to a 5400 rpm firm shift point !!!

Thanks again for sharing the info here, there are those who appreciate the time spent by others posting real life experiences compared to all the manufacturer/dealer claims...

 

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Explain the bias. Explain how the testing was rigged. Explain what I have to gain from rigging this. Explain what difference you think a dyno would have made. Explain how in your little mind how a regular guy could guy real world observations of these two products.

I guess I could have just went with the highly calibrated seat of the pants to measure the difference.

If the testing I did wasn't good enough for you, then feel free to go out and do your own testing and post back with the results. Until then, keep your ignorant comments to yourself.

 

With all the variables that are allowed with the Edge, how would anyone know if you had them set correctly?

How would you know?

 

The same variable that are allowed on the Edge, are allowed on the Xcal2.

I guess some people will just bitch regardless. I hope this helped some, because that was it's only intent.

To those that think they could have done better testing, I'll be waiting to see your results.