Exactly. . .

 

While you were timing with the Xcal2, what were your Trans Fluid Temps? What was it with the Edge........

Oh that's right, I forgot, you can't tell with the Xcal2.

Well, for myself I am not interested in racing a Mustang...just towing my trailer around an KNOWING It is running cool...........

 

One thing that you are missing is the Troyer tune is for a 93 Octane and is timed accordingly. The Edge is timed for a conservative 91 Octane. Timing can make a HUGE difference in these mod motors. It still is impressive times either way. Take a pic next time of your gtech results if would be nice to see some verification.

 

I didn't use the Edge to time the acceleration runs, so any comparison between Edge timed runs and my Gtech timed runs isn't really valid.

 

Really. Sure looks like I can check the trans temp.



Granted it's not a cute little display on the dash, but the Xcal2 CAN display tranny temps.

 

Is there any particular position you'd like it to be in so you can verify I'm not making this up? Do you want pics of the Edge so you know I have it too?

 

Hi.

The problem with that, of course, is it's common knowledge now that the '04's and escpecially the 05's have a/f's from the factory all over the map - usually on the extremely lean side. (Do a Search for more details).

So, what works for hwm3, may not be translatible to your particular trucks.

That's why it's crucial to have your a/f's measured and corrected if necessary, using data derived from a wideband a/f device. Neither the Edge nor the xcal2 can do that without an external device. This is NOT something you can do by guessing or by feel.

FYI - Just as it is not wise to bump up the timimg ( the Edge setting that does this is the 'Octane' setting - mislabled and under-documented, IMHO), because detonation may not be noticeable and still be occurring - this is due to the stellar knock sensor system in the 5.4 3v - at the very least what actually is happening is the system is pulling out ( retarding) timing - and hurting performance - upon reaching the incipient knock threshold.

Do a search to learn more - it's all there for anyone who cares enough to learn.

hwm3 - my hat's off to you for your commitment and willingless to help. Those are indeed great numbers!

Cheers
Grog

 

You carry your laptop around connected to your truck when you tow? Looks like you can tell after you get to your destonation whether or not you're too hot or not.....seems a bit too late at that point.

 

Are you towing a big enough load to really worry about tranny temps? Do you know how simple a tranny temp gauge would be to install?

 

Thanks hwm3 for doing the comparison and posting the results. Your results were pretty much what I expected. I thought the xcal would be a better performer but like many others, my scupercrew 4x4 is not for drag racing so I am still happy with the edge. It woke up my truck for sure and it will provide all of the power and performance I need.

Since you have both, which do you think you are going to run? Will you keep both for different applications?

 

haha - Actually I have nothing to tow at the moment. Just wondering

 

I think there is more in the Edge so it is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. My SCREW ran an indicated 7.06 0-60 with a FULL tank of gas and loaded toolbox. So i would think my truck makes as much power as yours. Who knows..... It's just not a valid comparison.

 

My reasoning for getting the Edge was mostly because I was curious about how it compared to the Xcal2, and figured others were as well. If it offered the same performance, I would keep it. Since there is a pretty good performance gap, I'll be sticking with the Xcal2.

 

So many variables are involved there just isn't any way to compare what someone else ran in a different truck, different temps, different elevations......

This is why I used the Gtech to time and not the Edge, one less variable.

I'm sure the Edge is capable of producing the same results as the Xcal2, it's just a matter of finding the right combination. That's where I think the Xcal2 has the big advantage, someone has already done the work for you. All you have to do is load it and enjoy.

 

Here's a couple pics of the Gtech times I got a couple of weeks ago for those looking for verification.