It is not a canned tune but not a programmed tune (so to speak). It is a programmed tune by using your mods and PCM code, which is more than canned but it is not as programmed tune as it would be if you did the datalogging and got it tailored to your truck. So to me..it is somewhere in the middle. More than canned but not as special tunned as it can be unless datalogging is done.

 

Sematics.

Datalogging is the final step in a custom tune period.

Something that the edge does not offer.

I fail to see why someone that has a high dollar amount invested in a truck, finds it bothersome to complete datalogging.

A tp tuned xcal tuner is still far from a canned tune with or without datalogging.

But hey, like everything else, if you are happy with the results a canned tune can be right for some folks, but for me, I would be very hesitant to install a canned tune on my vehicle with no one to turn to if the results turn sour.

 

I'm not sure why all you people get your panties in such a wad, but hey, drama queens make the world go around in your world. runnerbl hit it on the head IMO with a short statement.

As long as I can remember, Troyer has always recommended that you dyno your 04+ F-150 truck with A/F or do XCal2 data logging with an A/F wideband meter and send it back to him to actually complete the "custom" tuning. This information is the same that any tuner sitting at a dyno would use to write you a "custom" tune for your vehicle...but then again, I can see how the difference of seeing the tuner sitting at the dyno and the tuner across the country looking at the same information and tuning off it could confuse you people into the mere rationalization that it's not a custom tune at that point. What a freak show...

Also, TP claims "custom programs" on their X2 sale, not that it comes with actual outright "custom" tunes. Even if he just tweeked one simple parameter and is using a canned baseline, the canned programming becomes "custom"; read, I didn't say it's a custom tune itself! Verbiage. You receive vehicle information packets that he uses to "tweak" whatever he has a baseline even more...but if you want a true custom tune, you have to do the datalogging and send it to him plain and simple...and he uses the same exact information some fat bald guy would sitting at a dyno. I'm pretty sure you have 30 days from TP to have your tunes adjusted.

Look people, here's how it boils down in my opinion. The Edge appears to be a nice product and the monitoring and gauges are a damn nice feature, however I see it as more of an end-user 04+ F-150 only targeted product, where the X2 is more of targeted at the end-user but allows a tuner to actually tweak much more "underneath" but with much more vehicle acceptance. Yes, you can alter different parameters on the Edge, but does it have as much and as precise individual parameter tuning capabilities the X2 has? Can it adjust each of the 30 steps of the MAF transfer function if needed? From the information I've seen, I don't think so, but I don't have one so I'm not sure. So do these differences matter? To some people yes, to most, probably not. Some of you are such die-hard haters of one side or the other, you're blindsiding yourself with information, or mis-information at that. So just for that, I'm going to say "my truck is more black than yours..."

P.S. - I am in no way affiliated with Troyer or Edge, just stating my $0.02

 

I think I got it...
MT's tunes are "custom" in the sense that if you send him your PCM code and a list of modes he will send you some tunes based on those mods. For example if someone has the AF1 CAI, he will tune for more WOT fuel. More air in, more fuel in based on the tests he's done with the AF1.
However, although no two trucks are the same the tunes for two people with the same PCM code and mods will be the same since MT has no way of knowing how each truck is going to react until they do some datalogging and send the info back to him so he can tweak it for your specific truck, hence "custom".
The problem with that is you have to wait for MT to do the tune for you. With the Edge you can do it all yourself. Does Mike have the ability to tune more paramaters then on the Edge? Maybe, but as far as I'm concerned the Edge could be a custom tune as well since I can change different settings using the Edge to fit my specific truck if I so choose. Just because I'm not paying someone to do it for me doesn't mean it's not custom.

 

FACT - Programmers allow you to change variables inside the vehicles computer.

FACT - A canned tune is a set of variables predetermined that are different than the stock computer uses.

FACT - A custom tune is a modification of variables that are different than stock.

FACT - The Xcal2 has more variables that you can tweak.

FACT - Both products allow you to create a custom tune.

FACT - My new sig below kicks ***.

FACT - I don't give a crap what tuner you purchased.

 

I think the drama in this thread is due to people wanting their chip to be the best so they get all p1ssed off with the "My chip is better than your chip!" arguement. Pretty immature but thats the internet for ya.

 

I agree. They're just trying to justify their purchase. I don't need to convince anyone that the Edge is better then TP's XCal2 or vice versa. I KNOW that the Edge is better for ME that is why I purchased it. I couldn't care less what any one else here thinks. My post above was just trying to clarify. I'm not 100% sure how MT decides how the tunes are made. I used to care since I was going to get a XCal2 but that was before I knew about the Edge, now I couldn't care less since the Edge fits MY need better.

The End.

 

Hi.

You missed a few...

FACT - at least 25% of the '04 - '06 F150's are running far too lean ( aka unsafe) from the factory

FACT - You do not / cannot properly (a.k.a. safely) compensate for the lean condition by adding fuel - not in a mass-air FI vehicle. And especially not in the F150, with all it's code variations ( hundreds).

FACT - you need to re-write the MAF transfer function to do the above safely and accurately - NOT by blindly adding fuel.

FACT - the Edge cannot do the above - the X2 can

FACT - ANY mods to the '04-'06 intake tract, be it DWV, silencer removal, etc, can and will alter the MAF transfer function. If that truck is also one of the unfortunate 25% that is also running too lean, you are in a world of hurt - and no CEL indication ( or lack of one) is gonna make any difference. Again, simply and blindly adding fuel, or playing with advance, without specific knowledge of the complex control system that is your powertrain programming, is just plain cow-pudding .

FACT - you guys wouldn't even know the correct and safe shift points to use ( Edge sure didn't tell you, did they?), if it weren't for Mike to share that info with us. Where has Edge support gone from this site, anyway? If they invested the time like MT does, I'd feel much better.

FACT - MT is almost unique among the vendors here - he honestly cares and spends a significant portion of his time to share an enormous amount of his knowledge and experience for the benefit of all F150online members - whether it's performance or maintenance advice - and there is no possible agenda for maintenaance advice. You need to keep that in mind. Like most adults, even you should be able to filter past the sales pitches and derive wealth of factual and useful info.

FACT - most of you whom I've just inadvertently offended need to Search more - not just here, but the web as well. The corroborating evidence exists.

FACT - the Edge is likely the most feature-rich Canned tuning device on the market - but Edge should step up to the plate and ensure the end-user adjustments have their full & timley support - or you Will cause damage if mis-used. The disclaimer in the Edge manual says as much. ( yes I did read it in it's entirety)

FACT - your new sig just does further damage to your credibility. Sorry.

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Cheers
Grog

 

My "canned" black is better than your "canned" black.

 

Hahaha touche`

 

Damn, I just waisted 10 minutes of my life catching up on what I thought was useful info. Just be happy with your purchase, and for your online buds choice. There still going in F-150's, lets remember that.
Hey, at least everyone has some type of tuner to give those OTHER brands a run for there money!!

 

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Personal attacks really aren't needed because they make you look immature. Your opionion is noted although it's different from mine.

I said I don't care which tuner you purchased. I also said that the xcal2 has more variables that you can change which you listed the difference so good for you .

As for my sig it only tells the truth about how MT really feels about the customers who don't worship him and spread his name around the internet.

 

And your sig isn't a personal attack?

The bottom line is that most of you need to do some reading and find out what the FACTS really are.

 

No my sig points out how to be a hypocrite. The personal attack comes from another user on this forum.

 

And the facts can be found here:

SCT Flash

and here

Edge