Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to draw conclusions to what the problem is. The engine is consuming oil in large quantities, and it is obviously getting burned. So there are a few far off things that may cause excessive oil consumption.....ie excessive crankcase pressure.....damaged oil journals..........it's most likely making it's way from the lower end into the combustion chamber through the cylinders..........which would mean a smoked piston.......or the rings associated with it.

The only real way to tell is engine teardown.

 

That's right! Even Chris said it could have been something he didn't do right while building the engine. I don't hear him bitchin'; so, why don't we all just drop it for now? I remember a certain member who was without his Lightning for 18 months, and didn't get what he was waiting for. He was OK with it; so, everyone else was asked to drop it. I would say the same applies here. At least until somebody knows what the hell they are talking about.

 

You missed my point entirely Vinnie.

I think its foolish to try and build an engine like Chris did and push all that nitrous thru it just to get a dyno number and to hurt it in the process. Of course he was going to race it, but for what? A number? Give me a break.

I could run a 10 in my Harley if I spent the money, but whats the point? Just to say I did? Then I can back it off and never run that number again (or better), unless the officials at the track arent looking or I am willing to risk, not only bodily injury to myself and others, but getting told I cant run anymore?

All its going to take is one joker that wants to say he ran a 10, to run that 10 and lose control and kill himself and/or others in the process for NHRA or any sanctioning body to shut everyone down without a rollbar or proper safety equipment.

You can brag to me anytime you want about how you and other JDM people have the most daily driven 10 second Lightnings, but I can only think of two or three tops that are legal doing it.

Sure its fun to skirt the rules a tad, everyone does it, but if your going to spend the money to say you ran a number once or twice, spend the extra money and run that number anytime you want, legally and safely.

I'd like to see more heads up racing myself, then I'll think about dropping a JLP built beast into my H/D

Later...

Bruce

 

I'm struggling on yours too.

Do you honestly think he drove up to sals place to just get an hp number? I coulda sworn he went there to try to tune his nitrious properly


I'm sure a major part is most people wanna be able to say they have a truck running such and such time. It's called. . . .achievement. I didn't know this was a difficult topic. I'm sure the other part is. . . well chris probably wants a fast truck. I know i know, thats silly.


So .. . by this you mean to say no one should be attempting to run 10's otherwise they will be deemed jokers? No doubt that the safety issue is important but I hardly see that as the issue in this case for your arguement. To the best of my knowledge chris hasn't run a 10 yet anyway.

I kinda see what your saying, i don't think these guys are trying to run 10's and bail. They want 10 second trucks, but they don't want cages in their daily drivers. They makes their vehicles fast and when they do their runs they step off. They made what they wanted.

 

No the 9.88 is not Killing me, I cant say the same for his truck though, also what it took to get there. He's definatley got more love for running a number than I do. Theres no way in Hell that I would take my street driven truck, put a tubular front end on it, gut it clean beyond recongition of a lightning, and never be able to drive it on the street again. I will be quite happy with running mid 10's on a daily driven street truck. Maybe thats one of the reasons why we have 23 10 sec/ Daily Driver trucks. Its because I dont encourage them to gut their trucks and take away from the original reason they bought them, to be driven when the please. 11 of our trucks have cages. Theres a gentlemen out of Texas his board name is Ed, he came to us with a motor problem. We put one of ours in it and we tuned it. He ran this truck in the cannonball run ( lap of america) He won his class and execeeded over most everyone there. So first place in a 5000+ mile/ 5day journey is more important to me than a handfull of Bonzai runs in the Quater mile.

Jim@JDM

 

I must be missing your point too.

no, I didn't go to Sal's just to get "a number". I went to get my truck tuned safe and strong so I could enjoy all the hard work I put into it.

of course I was going to race it for "a number". what else would I be racing it for?

why are any of us building these trucks and spending all of this money?

because it's fun. NOT because I want to make a career out of racing my truck every weekend. it's fun to go fast, it's fun to have some bragging rights. it's fun to say I drive a big HP vehicle, it's fun to say I race a 10 second vehicle.

IT'S FUN TO TELL MY BUDDY WITH THE BRAND NEW YAMAHA R1 1000CC SPORT BIKE THAT IF HE HAD DOORS, I COULD BLOW THEM OFF! and to know that if he really had the nerve to line 'em up, I'd have the capability to show him the tailgate of my 5000lb pickup truck for the entire 1/4 mile!

yes I built my motor so I could say I made 750 Horsepower.

yes I built my truck so I could say I drive a 10 second truck everyday.

so yes, we are all racing for a "number". that's why they call it ELAPSED TIME. that's why we all go to the dragstrip, to get the "BEST NUMBER" that we can.

please understand I'm not trying to be a smartass here, I just really don't understand where you are coming from?

as for being foolish for pushing nitrous through my motor to get a dyno number... uh why do you think they sell dynos? why do you think they sell nitrous and bigger superchargers? it's because apparently alot of people happen to like going for "numbers".

I was putting "all that" nitrous through it because we were trying to tune it so I could make some passes at the track, not a one shot dyno deal. If I had been trying to just get an impressive HP number, I would have upped the jets to 200HP!

as for the cage, honestly all I wanted was a 10 second run... I would have decided at that point if I wanted to try to race the truck more competitively. which would mean installing a cage.

but the truth of the matter is that I don't have the money to do that at this time, nor do I forsee having that money any time soon.

also, since the truck is my only vehicle I don't particularly feel like climbing over monkey bars everytime I need to go to the grocery store, have you ever driven a vehicle with a full cage?

and someday I might want to sell the truck. have you ever tried to sell a vehicle with a full roll cage in it? it severely reduces your number of potential buyers.

here is my last vehicle:


so at this point for numerous reasons, a cage is not in my immediate future.

I could still have made a 10 second pass or two and then been happy racing 11.50s (safely and legally here at either one of the IHRA tracks in my town) on the weekends without the spray.

I don't see where that is such a big deal. it certainly doesn't put anybody (else's) life in danger.

again, I'm not attacking you, I just don't get your point at all.

sincerely,
chris

 

Well, my comments were not meant to be inflammatory, rather to point out how stupid this whole argument is. Maybe Sal could have worded it better, but big deal, others post their numbers that way. How does my comment bring down the site when we have a vendor saying "I have a 9 second time slip, nah nah nah nah nah nah"

Second, if you are going to use the word intelligence as an insult to someone else's intelligence, then please spell it correctly.

Lastly, considering the bed of my truck had a toolbox and other tools in it, I had my complete sound system in (100+ pounds) , PS2 and TV in, my spare still on, tailgate on, hitch on, and was on street tires....I don't see 12.5 as such a bad number. Only 2 other trucks at MIR were running faster, JJ and BTJ, both of whom are on Slick. I don't run slicks, I will at some point get my truck in the 11's on street tires. If you ask me, it's not an 11 second truck if you have to dissassemble it and change the tires before you run, so I'm with Jim on that one

Thanx,
The guy who is bringing down F150's intelligence quotient.

 

Then what the **** would be the point of spending the time and money that he did on a built engine. Chris had a goal and expectations of his project........as would anyone else. The only expectation is that it didn't last as long as one might have hoped. Is there any real life expectancy when it comes to racing engines. Hell, NASCAR engine builders put motors together all the time......same way they did the last.......and have them fail. It's all part of the game. Would anyone here build a motor only to put everything back on it stock and drive around like ford tries to say we are supposed to. Let's get friggen real. These trucks are not just a pickup truck. They are a "special vehicle". Some are more special then others. Now we are talking with our heads in the sand

The point in spending the money would be to run a 10. It would be a goal of yours. Obviously if you didn't want to run a 10....like you obviously don't......and neither do I frankly.......then the money won't be spent, by me, you , or anyone else that doesn't want to do it. You are answering your own questions.

First of all.....a good part of everyone trying to run a ten has been into or close enough to the 11's where they have a cage and harness. For the people that do not.........they might make that 10 second pass........they might even make a second one before they are asked to leave the track. As far as waiting till something happens to do something....it's cause and effect. Generally that's how life and governing bodies work. Did we have all these anti terror laws and the patriot act and such before 9/11???? Not most of them. Shame on the people the majority of the population is voting for ,for not knowing we would be attacked and preventing it. The IHRA and NHRA officials have no idea what a vehicle is gonna run when it lines up......until it goes down the track. If something happens......that's why you sign a waiver at the credentials building. I had a guys line up against me last week. F-body with a cage, stroked motor, blower and juice......says he's capable of 11's...........and probably so. He ran a 16.xx something........... So if he didn't have a cage and the officials saw what's under the hood and booted him.....it would have been for what??? Now obviously this car is capable of being much faster, but it is what it is.

2 or 3 tops??? Is that because you only know what is on the boards??? Just another example of ignorance. Last year when I was at JDM, there were 3 trucks with cages in the lot. The only one I knew was the truck that belonged to Steve. The other's I have no idea. Aside from that Don, Bill, Paul.......now belongs to Jamie, have cages.......and these are just people that I know or have met personally. I haven't made it around to the FFW circuit but I'm sure there are a bunch more.

I don't think anyone was having a blast by breaking the rules. Most of the guys that are serious about racing upgraded their trucks in anticipation of these super quick e/t's. Don had a cage put in before it was even required by our home track......IHRA, but knowing he would be traveling for FFW......he would be at some NHRA tracks where he may need it. Now that's he's stepped it up....he needs it on almost everypass. Not everyone knows what they are gonna run untill they do it. So if they are running times that have certain requirement.......the track officials will see to it that they are made aware of it and take proper action i'm sure.

I fully understand your concern about safety and it is not to be overlooked. I agree with you 100% that every safety precaution needs to be taken when racing, or doing anything in life. But your attitude is pointing the finger that guys on this board are purposly doing things to put peoples lives in danger.......and I really don't think that's the case at all.

Chris built a motor to be powerfull, and reliable. From what I read, he didn't cut any corners. For some reason, the motor is failing. Why would we blame him for trying and saying it's stupid??? It's like going down the ballfield and playing home run derby with your friends. Why try........you aren't going to make the Majors............and holy ****.......you broke the rules because you were wearing a batting helmet and a cup. What are you gonna do if you do hit a home run........go home. So your gonna do all this just for a game to say you won. Why bother???

 

yeah it might have a tubular front end...... But it is DEFINATELY not gutted beyond recognition...... unless we are looking at two different trucks......

Last time I checked it looked like a lightning!!!

 

THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE WE RUNNING FOR?!?!!??!
We might as well sell our lightnings and get electric cars!!! LMAO!!!!!

 

Talli, that was very well said!!

Scott

 

It is sad how many treads go to ****.

I am with Rob: Out of anyone on this board, CHris and only Chris is the TRUE L tuner. He has done what all of us(at least most of us) would do if we had the resources and time. He took his love and turned it into a peice of artwork ALL BY HIMSELF. He did not get a shortblock delivered on a wood slab, did not pay $75 hour for a nitrous install. He did it all himself. I know I try to do it all myself for what my resources will allow.

I use both JLP and PSP to tune my truck. Both have great knowledge of our trucks and both run their businesses 2 totally different ways. I blew my engine at the track the day after I got off the dyno with Sal. Did I think it was his fault, not for a second. I build my truck up to what it was, asked Sal to do what I wanted and he did. My truck was running fine when I left and my dyno graph shows the story of it. So for JDM to throw Sal under the bus for smoking Chris's engine I think that is BS. Chris built it and Sal just played with it on the dyno. **** breaks that is just the breaks. Maybe hooking him up at cost would be cool.
I do however agree with JDM that this pissing match is a bunch of bull****, you all sound like a bunch of high school girls. we are arguing over 12 HP not 100 hp. A few degrees in temp or humidity can change it, or even different PSI in your tires can change a dyno pull by 12 hp. To each his own.
Vinnie said it best: E.T. 's talk.
And for JLP gutting his truck I think taking away from his World Record and taking a shot that has been repeatly done by both JDm and PSP is just jealousy. It just means he has put more time and effort into what everyone of us want........To Be the fastest. Tubular chassis is just one step past removing your tailgate to run down the 1/4. I am rooting for Sal by the end of the season since I have been watching the progress of his new project

 

It's all lies, my Lightning is the fastest...

 

at what point can i farm this thread for my own personal gain?

 

Camper tops make trucks fast!!