wittom

But then you could have shot your brother-in-law from screwing up your clutch! Seriously, though, don't get confused on my position. I said that I can't believe any man could sleep without a gun in his house, and that I don't respect any man that doesn't understand his fiduciary responsibility to protect his family in ALL respects.

Does that mean your not a man if you don't own a gun (as my position will inevitably be "spun" to mean)? No. I lived with a girlfriend when I was in college, and didn't own a gun - 1) because in college some drunk a$$ would get it and shoot me, or I may shoot my girlfriend while drunk, and 2) it would have been fine with me if some nutcase came in and abducted her because she turned out to be a pyscho b$itch.....

To me, a real man protects his family (wife and kids) from reasonbly expected and remotely expected (but catastrophic) danger. Life insurance is no different....Does that mean at every moment of every day every man must have life insurance or he is not a man, no. But if you have had 40 years to think it over and your position has always been "f my wife, f my kids, f everybody, I'm never going to die, and even if I do, f' em all", then I would say you aren't carrying out your fiduciary responsibilty with regard to your family....And of course, just like insurance, some people clearly don't have a need for it, and therefore aren't less manly if they don't have it. If I lived on a military base (depending on which one), I may not own a gun. If I was guarded by Secret Service, I may not own a gun, etc. etc.

You've made a conscious, educated decision - I'm in a relatively nice neighborhood and it's just me and my girl. But if you were married with 3 kids, in an average American neighborhood, and told me "I'm just sooo nervous about guns, so I stay away from them because I'm scared, I'll just call the police if someone breaks in", I'd tell you to be a f'n man and get un-nervous about it. It's just the same as saying, "well, I should get life insurance, but it's kind of confusing to me and I could use the money elsewhere...I'll be okay, I'm healthy, nothing will happen..."

 

Hello Frank S - I've still been stopping by F150online from time to time...just have not made many posts.

 

JDMnAR:

"However, don't you think a 10ga is a little overkill in the middle of the night in your home?"

Thats a good one "overkill"

By the way if you shot someone, kill them if they come in your house in the middle of the night its not murder, its self defense. Really, because when the police show up they will see the knife I gentle placed in the dead and cold guys hand... won't need to use gloves for prints since the dead cold guy got it from my kitchen.

Second thing is I wont shot him next to the window, I am afraid the 10 gage may blow him right out of the house (through the window) can't have that he needs to be inside, so I would wait till he moves...

 

I think the 10 guage is much better than say the 45-70. You dont have the problems of the bullet exiting the house.

 

PhillipSVT:

Excellent point. Plus you don't need great aim, just just kind of point it in the gereral direction and fire BINGO...

 

I knew it wouldn't be long before the Libs troted out this ole dead horse

 

Cpadpl, if I shot my brother in law then my family would dissown me. Hmmm, now you've got me thinking! Kidding!

I hear where you're coming from. I wouldn't say that I'm afraid of guns. I just don't have any experiance. One thing I do have is respect for guns. Not just for their killing potential, they are machines. Not unlike our trucks, or the many different "machines" I encounter in my job, a gun is a percision machine. If I were to get a gun I would want to learn to operate this "machine" to the best of my abilities. I would want to be a good shot. An added benefit would be the protection.

I'm sure if I had a family I would be more inclined to consider having a gun to protect them. I'm not saying I never will own one but for now, well for some of the same reasons you didn't have one in college. I'm past college age but I still like to party every once and a while. Not that I would even consider shooting someone, but guns and intoxication are a bad mix. No I'm not a drunk or anything. I hang out with friends once or twice a week and have a "few" beers. I've become a light weight since shacking up with my girl. My girl. You know, I love her but I think that any woman, any person for that matter could "become" a pyscho. If there were a gun around, and she was pissed off at me, I would hate to find out that she would even point a gun at me. We wont be finding that out.

There are shootings in this area but I think that we are far enough out of the "thick of it" that the likelyhood of something happening is pretty slim. I hope I'm right!

For now I'll have the trusty BB bat handy incase any of the locals want to play ball.

I don't have any problem with people owning guns. There are people that I know and respect that are very into guns. I think thats good. Guns can be a very interesting hobby. It's all good as long as people are responsible.

 

Criminals don't obey the laws. More restrictions on firearms make it harder on the law abiding. If the sentance for using a firearm in the commitance of a crime is not a deterant, "then make it one"!
How does making the purchase of a firearm more complex for the upstanding citizen going to help?

There are 1000's of firearms laws, none of which are followed by a criminal. Start exicuting those who use deadly force while commiting a crime, if death doesn't scare them, we'll slowly be cleaning up out citys, one dirtbag at a time.

More people die and are injured from drinking, yet there is nobody in congress asking for stricker and harsher DUI laws Nationally.

They are willing to take away my(your) rights, to please a majority, that my friends is politics, and nothing more.

They could save thousands of lives, but it wouldn't be popular.

This same logic applies to the recent war in Afganistan. We air-dropped tons of food for their people, yet we have staving , homeless people here. Why ??

Most of us see the images on TV,...... we don't see the homeless guy in our own town, or the next city over. ( I understand, they are tring to win over the people, and dispell their image of us.)


I could go on, but I've already gone off on a rant!!!...LOL

 

wittom, my suggestion, buy the gun now and stash it. They are only going to get more expensive....consider it a sale, why spend the extra money?? I was once told by a wise man, "don't take any weapon into a fight that you don't want used against you". I never could make a good swing with a bb bat.

 

Ford4Fun

Actually, if you wanted to be one of the last people to be able to buy a gun without the Fed knowing about it you better do it within the next ten years. Personal sales of firearms are not required to be documented, just sales by dealers....

 

really....COOOOL, I did not know that. It does make sence though.

 

Thats how the criminals do it. They steal the guns from the dealers then sale them to their buddies... See they, the criminals are up on the laws

 

more people are killed in auto accidents every year than by firearms. also, i get sick of hearing the term gas guzzling suvs. they get alot better gas mileage than the big boats of the 70's and 80's.

 

Good point otterbob.

It is people who kill people. Guns dont kill people, autos don't kill people, knifes don't kill people, axes don't kill people, rocks don't kill people, the list goes on and on.

However, as far as these animal rights wackos go, they should know that wild animals do indeed kill people every year, be it being attacked by an animal in the woods, or stearing to miss something on the road. As far as cat's and other small animals go, I don't even bother to brake or to stear around them I just run right over the little *****ers.

Thud, Thud, another useless animal taken care of, and on top of that I feel PROUD that I may have just saved a human life

 

Better than that, handguns are used defensively in homes to protect loved ones many times more than they "accidentally" kill a loved one....Of course, the people that like to quote you that "You are more likely to be killed or have a loved one killed" fail to tell you that they are including 1) suicide, and 2) domestic violence crimes that result in murder with a handgun.

So, barring anyone in your family purposely blowing their brains out, or barring you beating the hell out of your wife and then shooting her, it is really incumbent upon you to own a gun, as the facts say you are much more likely to use it to save a family member than have one accidentally killed by it....

BTW, where is Dennis during all of this? This is the kind of stuff he'd pounce all over. I've actually got the numbers broken out from the Bureau of Statistics....I'm just waiting to unload them when a Mr. know it all shows up....Handgun Control, Inc. doesn't like you knowing what is in "their" number, but they have to use the same stats I do, so it's not too hard to decipher their code...