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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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Ask **** Cheney,

^^^I guess F-150online considers our ex-Vice President's name a four letter word.

Talk about nannyism!
 
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 01:41 PM
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Cheney is not the president, and neither is Bush.

I suspect if either were president, the role of the Executive Branch would have gotten a whole lot more scrutiny from the MSM, beginning Day 1 of this crisis.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 01:42 PM
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Ask **** Cheney, he is the one that successfully argued that the offshore drilling industry should be a self-regulated affair. And then he put industry people in place to carry out his ideas. Then oil companies had record profits at the expense of the people.
Obama has had time to change it had he felt the need. Looks as if he should have been making changes there instead of some of the others he felt were so needed.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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Obama has had time to change it had he felt the need. Looks as if he should have been making changes there instead of some of the others he felt were so needed.
All in good time.

He's been busy with stimulus, spending our great great great grandkids into oblivion. Oh, and taking over car companies and healthcare.

He still needs to provide amnesty for illegal aliens, and to demonize Wall Street until he gins up more government control over that, as well.

Nationalizing the oil industry is not on the agenda until 2012.
 

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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Obama has had time to change it had he felt the need. Looks as if he should have been making changes there instead of some of the others he felt were so needed.

I'm sure you would have praised his action if he took steps to regulate the offshore drilling industry more closely, lol!

He prolly shoulda done it as soon as he took office.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 01:52 PM
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I'm sure you would have praised his action if he took steps to regulate the offshore drilling industry more closely, lol!

He prolly shoulda done it as soon as he took office.
Oh, yeah, I would have been very pleased. The fact remains, if they are going to go thru the pretext of regulating, they need to regulate. They weren't.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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they need to regulate. They weren't.
Clearly the only reason they weren't regulating is because Bush and/or Cheney prevented them.

Nothing at all to do with all the oil money Obama and the Dem's accept. No sir.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 03:35 PM
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Clearly the only reason they weren't regulating is because Bush and/or Cheney prevented them.

Nothing at all to do with all the oil money Obama and the Dem's accept. No sir.
The only difference in then and now is had it been Bush/Cheney in office when this mess happened, the media would have roasted them as opposed to letting them pretty well skate freely.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 04:55 PM
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Yup, if'n the MILF and the Maverick were runnin thangs, this never would have happened....you betcha, wink, wink, by golly. Hehehehehehe
 
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 05:41 PM
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Yup, if'n the MILF and the Maverick were runnin thangs, this never would have happened....you betcha, wink, wink, by golly. Hehehehehehe

A byproduct of our fine educational system.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 02:37 AM
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The fact remains, if they are going to go thru the pretext of regulating, they need to regulate. They weren't.
Please don't take us for fools. Clearly they were not regulating their every move in real time. Is that what you want?

Get real!

The fact is, the safety rules they were operating under had been severely weakened under the Bush/Cheney administration. That is a fact. You and the rest of the short-sighted Republicans would have been screaming bloody murder if the Obama administration had put safety measures in place that the Bush/Cheney administration helped the industry avoid.

That is only my speculation but you know it's true.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 07:32 AM
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The fact is, the safety rules they were operating under had been severely weakened under the Bush/Cheney administration. That is a fact.
Let's see those facts. The problem is, just like a whole bunch of government bureauracies, they don't do what they're supposed to do until it's too late. There have been oil and gas wells operating in the Gulf of Mexico for 50 years. There have been some minor spills to date, but nothing of this magnatude. The MMS was lulled into a false sense of security and wasn't doing its job, but then neither is FEMA, the SEC, the INS, (write in your favorite dept. here). The federal government is failing us at just about every level and it doesn't seem to matter who's piloting the ship. The American taxpayer is simply not getting their money's worth.

If BP had done what they were supposed to have done and replaced the BOP when it was failing pressure test before they reached their drilling depth, this blow-out would never have happened. Because a prior administration didn't feel additional costly equipment was needed doesn't mean they're pandering to the oil and gas industry. It costs a lot of money to drill in the U.S. Our minerals are not just below the surface as most of our imports, yet they're making huge profits on every barrel they send us. If Bush was really friendly to the U.S. oil and gas industry they would have levied a tax on imported oil to stabilize the price to decrease our dependence on foreign oil. Adequate pricing might decrease the industries "short cutting" safety procedures to same a dollar. Yet, I bet we move toward increasing the cost of domestic drilling as a result of this debacle.

Now we see this administration making us pay for new bureaucracies, which are likely to fail us too. My biggest fear is the "chosen one" may end up shutting down the oil and gas industry to the benefit of his muslim kinfolk, either as a calculated measure or out of sheer stupidity. Sleeper cells must be alive and well in this country and infiltrating F150online for so many of you to worship the ground that our muslim leader walks on and see no wrong in any of his actions.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Real
Please don't take us for fools. Clearly they were not regulating their every move in real time. Is that what you want?

Get real!

The fact is, the safety rules they were operating under had been severely weakened under the Bush/Cheney administration. That is a fact. You and the rest of the short-sighted Republicans would have been screaming bloody murder if the Obama administration had put safety measures in place that the Bush/Cheney administration helped the industry avoid.

That is only my speculation but you know it's true.
You know what else is true?

You've got a handful of mouthpieces who want to blame Obama so bad that they will compromise their own principals to do so.

What do I mean exactly?

You've got a handful of loud mouthpieces who are the first ones screaming about too much government interference, and had Obama took control of the leak from day one, they would have been yelling bloody murder... "Let the private sector deal with it, stop interfering".

Now that the private sector has failed, all of a sudden Obama is driving the bus, and he is nailed to the cross for not handling the situation from day one.

Some people want it both ways and they resort to intellectual dishonesty to blame Obama any chance they get. You can't have it both ways.

Who needs government for anything right? You let the banking sector look after itself and what happened? They almost bankrupted the American economy with all the thieving they did while they were minding the store.

You loosen the controls on the oil industry and they cause the (what will be if it isn't by now) largest environmental disaster the world has ever seen.

Some of you think liberals want big government but that's not correct, some liberals know that if you let big business police themselves the public will get the shaft every time.

Why? Because absolute power corrupts and profit always takes priority over safety and over what is right. This disaster in the gulf is a perfect example of placing shareholder's profits over safety.

...oh but it's ok right because market forces will work this out on its own.

Maybe the world should all follow Rush Limbaugh's advice, the conservative hero many of you idolize so much:

"The ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and left out there. It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is."

What a frikkin retard.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 08:16 AM
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This is no more Obama's fault than Katrina was Bush's. Though Bush seemed more on top of Katrina than Obama is this. New Orleans' levies had been subsidized by federal cash for years, and the money went other places. (Places the democrats in charge down there only know.) The oil companies cut corners to save money. (And this oil rig passed muster under the scrutiny of an Obama appointed official.) Bush got roasted for Katrina anyway, and Obama may as well not be the President as Bush is being blamed for the spill, too. That play is only going to be good for so many carries.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 08:18 AM
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If you look at what conservatives want it is a limited government not no government. A perfect example is my job. I have to know three Titles to the US Code, in addition to approx 400 laws from other agencies. It is an impossible task for one person to know that much law. It would take so much time to learn it all that by the time you were done, you would have to start over, because you forgot the stuff you first learned. THAT is what the government has been doing. The government has regulations on the books, but they refuse to enforce the regulation and when things go badly they pass more laws and regulation. IF they would have enforced the law in the first place the additional laws wouldn't be needed. One of the driving theories with a limited government and free markets is the businesses must be held accountable for their actions. Currently they are not being held accountable. In recent cases banks that made risky loans in search of profits to the point that they can't handle the bad debt, get to fail. That is the consequences of poor planning and is the driver in the free market. BP gets to pay for the clean up (which they said they would), and pay any fines for violations they committed. It probably won't bankrupt the company, but it will keep them from being profitable for a year or two.

I have more but have to go.
 
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