Originally Posted by Habibi

...but I am asking seriously here in an attempt to use logic and reason...

Originally Posted by Habibi

And here I
What I don't quite get is this...
Romans 1- All have seen the light of Creation and are without excuse.
This is clear; this tells me "no Exceptions" to the pygmy tribe example.

Romans 2- All have heard the light of Conscience and are without excuse
I sort of get this, very similar to #1

Originally Posted by J-150

these 2 lines probably appeared in the temple of Zeus. Pretty generic and similar statements can be found in the tomes of other world religions.

goes back to knowing your own Creator and following said deity as your heart tells you.

anyone that tells you they are right and you are wrong for your beliefs are the ones in error.

every religion I know of basically says to know your Creator in your heart.

Last time I checked, the heart was nowhere near the mouth nor the ear. Also, the emotions of love and acceptance are not related to the need to be correct.

so beware those that have no tolerance for anything outside of their own views.

know what you know. feel what you feel. come to terms with creation and any of the factors behind it in your own heart and mind.

Only you can create your Creator in your own mind. No one can create it for you.

Originally Posted by Habibi

And here I was thinking I just uncovered the Cadbury Secret.


Just because I didn't invent the idea, it still seems logical.
I'm just using the logic & reason that God gave me to make the world a better place.

I was reading that link posted by Super FX4, which has some interesting things in it.
I especially like the "Light of Conscience" thing, which as an Agnostic, I can relate to that.

What I don't quite get is this...
Romans 1- All have seen the light of Creation and are without excuse.
This is clear; this tells me "no Exceptions" to the pygmy tribe example.

Romans 2- All have heard the light of Conscience and are without excuse
I sort of get this, very similar to #1

If the bible tells us that the law is written on every heart (Rom 2:1, 3)
this is basically agreeing with the 'no excuses' thingy as written above in #1 & #2, which is, well, for arguments sake, I'll buy it (begrudgingly)

So if the above is true, why then must Christians have to do the following?

Romans 3- It’s our responsibility to take the light of Christ to those who have no excuse.

#1 & #2 clearly say there are no excuses, the light is stamped on the heart, everyone knows God, blah blah blah, and so if that's the case, why must #3 come into play?

Since living deep in the jungle will not suffice as excuses for not accepting JC into your heart, then why must number #3 be an imperative?

I know some of you guys will think I'm just being a smart *** or whatever, and do the heavy sigh followed by the "Pfffft", that's your right, and if that's how you feel, then what a good Christian you are, but I am asking seriously here in an attempt to use logic and reason.

As answer like

Well, The Lord is mysterious, and the fig leaf on the mountain top will surely bring you good tidings as long as you open your heart, blah blah blah, that's not an acceptable answer.

Let's use clear English and help me sort out the contradictions because as a human being, I could almost 'sign up' for the good word if it wasn’t for the so many contradictions that only serve to confuse the heck out of everyone.

Again, if #1 and #2 take away all excuses for not knowing God, then I would deeply resent having to be a door to door salesman and be forced into a position of having to convert people.

Habs


And to the jackass calling me a troll, go play in the traffic. If you have nothing useful to post, then why bother at all? Troll this.

Originally Posted by Frank S

A long story short: The KJV is God's Word not watered-down. As it should be.

Originally Posted by Frank S

The name for this type of thinking is Postmodernism and/or Relativism. What's dangerous about this is that the heart is inherently deceitful and relying on feelings that can often betray us. This is why it's best to try our best to adhere to Biblical doctrines of watching out for our neighbor and treating him/her as we would want to be treated. We all fall short sometimes, obviously. This is why Christ was sent for those who believe.

Originally Posted by J-150

I respctfully disagree, Frank.

From what I have seen, the true danger in this thinking is the religious establishment losing control over the mindless masses and allowing people to think for themselves and worship Him unto themselves, as has been intended from the start. People don't need these "false prophets" that insert themselves as the conduit to finding Him. And when the masses realize they can find and be with Him all on their own, the Vatican will fall and take the other religions with it too.

Originally Posted by Tumba

That is the plans for the future. The evolution of religion, when man discovers the truth. " Every man will sit, under his own vine, and speak of God without fear."

Originally Posted by Tumba

True of almost every civilization, including what is to come here.

Originally Posted by BROTHERDAVE

Habibi, at the root your question is simple. Not from a religious point of view but from simple logic this is my response.

you must first assume there is a God, life on Earth must serve some greater purpose.

If God's intent was for everyone to get to Heaven, then why even have life on Earth?