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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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This is a pretty decent explanation:

http://www.eeinternational.org/pages...?page_id=31955
 
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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Even the iconic Islamic patriarch said of his enemies, "Surely one day we will sit together in Heaven" I know the wording there is not exact. But the intent is.
Our lives here is the work of God, and it serves his purpose. I also believe that God will send no one, a place he has not prepared them to go.

All religions believe in re incarnation. That is what eternal life and self awareness is.

Even if you do not believe in God, you have to be smart enough to know, something else will grow from the minerals your body leaves behind.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 10:09 PM
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What!!!
 
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 10:20 PM
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What!!!
Your dead body is also fertilizer.
I hope that helps
 
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 10:50 PM
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Actually, reincarnation is not a Biblical doctrine. Just to clear that up.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Habibi
Perhaps I could have phrased it as such:

According to the Christians, would the pygmy in the tribe go to heaven or hell?

I've read the replies from Stealth, Frank & Tumba, but they all seem rather vague, I sort of get from it:

"It will be whatever God decides"
Am I asking for too much by wanting a hard and fast answer?
Or is this a question with no definitive asnwer?

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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
Actually, reincarnation is not a Biblical doctrine. Just to clear that up.
True enough, but it is another life. You are thinking of the flesh, I'm speaking of the spirit.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Super FX4
This is a pretty decent explanation:

http://www.eeinternational.org/pages...?page_id=31955
That was a good read but still found it to be very contradictory.
Here's what I mean:

The article makes references to certain bible quotes, but then offers his own interpretation.
I find the actual quotes and his interperations to contradict each other.

No one can hide behind the claim of ignorance. No one can say because they have never been given the Ten Commandments they aren’t guilty. The law is written on every heart. (Rom 2:1,3)

The above makes it clear there are no exceptions.

Then the author writes the following:

The short answer is, “No, God will not send anyone to Hell because they have never heard of Jesus.”

Then again the author writes:

NO one will ever be condemned for not believing in a Christ he never knew.

Then I am presented with another verse of the bible and it contradicts what the author wrote above:

The Bible says that no one is ignorant when it comes to God. (Romans 1:19-21)

I get the sense that even here people cannot agree on this, therefor there can be no consensus.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 05:21 AM
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Habibi, it's not just excepting but also Confessing that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior.
Don't let this question be your stumbling stone and keep you from knowing the fullness that God has to offer.

And if the question bothers you so much .... I have to ask you as a fellow Christian.
"What are you doing to share Christ with the pygmy tribe?"
 
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 05:46 AM
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Habibi, it's not just excepting but also Confessing that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior.
Don't let this question be your stumbling stone and keep you from knowing the fullness that God has to offer.
If this were my only stumbling stone, it would be easy, but there are many.
This is however a good place to start.

It's like going to the dealership to buy a new truck and the salesman says "Oh yeah, every new vehicle sold today qualifies for a free Alarm System.
Then when I'm ready to sign the paperwork, I see a sneaky little charge thrown in...
$549.99 = Alarm System

So I question the salesman and he says
"Oh, don't worry about that bro, just sign the papers and we'll sort it out later, trust me" then he gives me the big smile and I see the sunlight flash off his diamond tooth.

So of course I am going to question what I see as stumbling blocks, actually this is much more than a stumbling blocl, it's a huge pothole that needs some explaining before I can move forward.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:05 AM
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And if the question bothers you so much .... I have to ask you as a fellow Christian.
"What are you doing to share Christ with the pygmy tribe?"
It all depends on the answer to my question. Below is a quote taken from the link Super FX4 posted

"NO one will ever be condemned for not believing in a Christ he never knew"

Do you guys agree with the quote above? Simple yes or no answers will suffice, no need to get into complex allegorical bs and parables up the ying yang.
I just want to strip away all the confusion and try to get an answer to the above question.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Habibi
It's like going to the dealership to buy a new truck and the salesman says "Oh yeah, every new vehicle sold today qualifies for a free Alarm System.
Then when I'm ready to sign the paperwork, I see a sneaky little charge thrown in...
$549.99 = Alarm System
Salvation is a free gift it is totally your choice to choose it or deny it.
It sounds like you are thinking about it, but not sure if you what to take the steps to make it real.

There is always a but... we all have them and well you know the rest.
The best thing to do is Keep It Simple. Don't make it harder then it is.

I'm not saying any of this to debate you ... I do not debate on the subject of Christ. The world tries to divide Christ like with different Denominations. I look at it like this. You either confess Christ as our savior or you Don't.

God gave us the freedom to choose. We either choose God or not choose God.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Habibi
It all depends on the answer to my question. Below is a quote taken from the link Super FX4 posted

"NO one will ever be condemned for not believing in a Christ he never knew"

Do you guys agree with the quote above? Simple yes or no answers will suffice, no need to get into complex allegorical bs and parables up the ying yang.
I just want to strip away all the confusion and try to get an answer to the above question.
Yes. Yes Yes!

But it is as I said before. If your not pure and of kindness to your fellow man, No! No! No!

Not knowing, is not a free ticket.

I also believe, when everything is completely over. We will be in one place.
Hell is not as much a place, as it is a separation from God.

I have told you many time Habibi, it is about FAITH
You can hear the word, and that is good.
But to receive the word is different! It gives you inner peace. With the absence of God, you do not attain inner peace.



Edit: I just wanted to add; Getting a piece, can give you inner peace, temporarly.
 

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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:35 AM
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:56 AM
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About those Pigmys

If a boy grows up, doing exactly what his Father taught him, he would do no wrong.
Someone could preach to him, and he could hear the word, but still not get the intent. He kills and eats the one that delivered the word. Then the pigmy himself dies of a desease the missionary had. They would both still go to heaven.

But if the Pigmy understands the words in his heart, and still kills and eats the missionary, he then would not go to heaven.

But that is my FAITH. It is not for people of flesh to decide anything.
 
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