Agreed

 

Job 13:5

 

 

I need to make that my virtue

 

I see. So, if you "believe" you get to pick and choose ? Only some "rules" apply, other need not be taken literal ? Kind of a crazy way to go about understanding a book. Who are you to say which scriptures should not be taken literal ? on what higher authority are you ? In all honesty, its people like you who preach understanding, tolerance, and try and skew the truth who are far worse then the extremeist.

Reminds me of most Christians... You bring up homosexuality, they bring up Lev 20:13 to condemn them. But when I ask why don't they destroy any town harboring an infidel, they say that those are the ways of the old testament, and not the teachings of Christ. Which is it ? The old testament is either true or false, no in betweens. PICK. Accept or question. Thats your only option.

So, should I not take the teachings of Jesus literal ? Maybe he wasn't being literal when he said he was dying for your sins ? How can you pick and choose what to believe ? you either subsribe, or you don't.

Quote:

"Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. ... If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."-John 15:4-6

That is what your lord teaches. To kill anyone who does not believe. Not very "Christ like" if you ask me. But I am sure you have some way to twist this, to turn a cheek, to ignore it completely, or to rewrite it with a new meaning. Lets hear it spin doc.

 

The bases are loaded and MT hits a Grand Slam out of the park.

I enjoyed reading that MT, well done.

 

That is a perfect example of what I mean. You have absolutly no idea what you are talking about. Every statement you make just shows your ignorance of the Bible. You take scripture completely out of context and try make it prove what you want. The only way to study is to have an understanding of what is being said and it's purpose. To understand the context, you have to have an open mind and want to learn. You don't. Your goal is to disprove. I have not seen you quote one scripture to prove a point, that makes a lick of sense. The Bible never says anywhere to kill non believers. That is you saying it.

This is my last post about it. I did my best to not say anything, but finally got sucked in.

 

He struckout so hard he probably pulled a muscle. It was wiffle ball at that!

 

A sincere thank you. I do not try and prove my point to the ignorant masses I argue with, but rather try and get more people to think, to questions, to wonder, and not to blindly accept.

You say its a perfect example, yet do not show anything to back this claim. Should I just "believe" ? I do not buy into dogma, I need evidence for me to come to my conclusion. you obviously can do so without.

How is it out of context:

Can't be much clearer....

or

So, it says if someone believes in a God other then your God, you must stone them. If a man doesn't listen to the preist, you must "purge the evil from Isreal".

Last one may not say kill, but rather to shun them. Back during this time, this was a death sentence.


Don't think it ended with the old testament. Jesus even asked you to.
Jesus is talking of the unbelievers. Saying they should be given no shelter, no help, and allowed to die. This is not out of context. This is the conext !

Oh, want more ?

Last one is a little extreme isn't ? Even if the entire down are followers, but you find ONE nonbeliever in this town, you must destroy (torch and burn) so that it may never be rebuilt !


So, how are these out of context ? Come on Spin Doc ! You did an absolutely horrible job last time, simply dismissing me as ignorant, but providing no evidence for this assumption. Its easy to turn the other cheek, much more difficult to look deep inside yourself, think, reason, and come to conclusions. much easier to follow.

Why run away ? Why not show your maturity level and stay and debate ? Or is that way above you ?






Easy to poke fun, much harder for YOU to participate in an adult, mature debate. You have nothing backing you, except faith alone. That is not enough. Grow up.

 

MT you should go back to your rejects. They like you there.

(BTW that was a joke)

 

Study without thought is vain: thought without study is dangerous.
Confucius

 

Aw I know yall love me here too ! plus, you gotta miss me by now !




I like that.

 

Also Confucius say "woman who fly plane upside down have crackup!!!"

 

Debating the Bible with you is similar to debating the quality of a painting with a blind man. He has never seen color nor percieved depth perception, so his statements make absolutely no sense. What does it take for you to understand that those are old testament laws that applied to Jews? What does it take for you to understand that you are debating Christianity with people and you are using scriptures that applied before Christianity existed? You cannot debate a person that does not comphrehend the boundries of the debate.

No, I won't get into a debate with you because there is no reasonable way to do so. You have no "color or depth perception" of the painting. One other thing. You don't seem to realize that one does not have to be a believer to see that you are taking a teaching completely out of context and coming to assinine conclusions. All one has to do is understand what is being said and to whom and for what reason.

 

Finally someone understand where I'm coming from.

"All or most of the quotes are from the old testament and God was talking to the Israelites" "believers" such as Stealth would say. Hmmm So MT and I should disregard the old testament because the vengeful, genocidal and jealous god of the old testament actually turned into a loving god in the New Testament? Or the Biblical God needed to use different moral standards at different times, that divinely prescribed morals are not absolute, but relative to the time and circumstances? If so, how does this differ from the situational ethics of the secular humanist so condemned by fundamentalist? And if you're dismissing the old testament, are you also throwing away the 2 Creation myths in Genesis 1 and 2, and the ten commandments, which were also given to Moses by the Biblical God to use on the Israelites.

MT, You'll also find in the "sacred Bible" that in one battle, followers were instructed by God to not leave anything alive that breaths, "i.e., to kill ever man, woman and child (Deut. 20:16-18). In another passage, God sent two bears to maul several dozen children who teased His prophet (11 Kings 2:23-23) And because the people of Samaria rebelled against God, He commanded that their children be "dashed to the ground" and their pregnant women "ripped open (Hosea 13:16)." And in spite of scientific advances related to the biological origin of our different sexual orientations, plus a widely-held ethical belief that the private sex lives of consenting adults is no one else's business anyway, millions of Americans still believe that gays and lesbians are morally degenerates and going to hell because God says so (Leviticus 20:13; 1Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:9-10) In fact half the states still have laws making homosexual acts, a felony. Fortunately only a few still believe that they should follow Gods command to stone to death those men who engage in such acts. Then there's the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis, in which Lot refused to turnover his tow male guests to the mob. Instead, he offered his two virgin daughters to be raped (Genesis 19:6-8). This is seen as a noble act. Never is there any attention paid to the act that if the mob had raped his daughters, they would most likely have died slow, painful deaths. And if Lot's daughters had lived, they would have been shamed for life, never being able to find husbands, and probably forced to turn to prostitution just to survive. A similar story occurred in Judges 19, only here the girl is raped all night and does die. Again there is no mention of out-rage, or even moral disapproval, at her being turned over to the mob. "I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sins of the fathers to the third and forth generations of those who hate me." [Exodus. 20:6 - Part of the 10 commandments]

I strongly disagree that whatever some god in a "holly book" chooses to do (however cruel, immoral and offensive by today's standards) must be considered good and wise and not questioned. And I don't care how difficult the times were thousands of years ago. Any god who ordered such atrocities as non-virgin brides (not grooms) being put to death on their wedding nights, (Deuteronomy 22:13-20) is certainly not a god worthy of praise today or ever. Demanding death for such offenses is totally unthinkable and barbaric in any civilized society.