anyone know the bible well and can write good essays?
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I'm through Frank, you don't read, comprehend, and try to see the other person's point of view. Totally pointless to try to focus your attentions. You bend other people's words into what you want to see/read, not what they actually typed.
For instance, Habibi didn't offend you with the monopoly on hate comment. You offended yourself by claiming Habibi said Christians had a monopoly on hate. READ it again, that's not what he said!!!!!!!
Now, let me end my statement with a good ole' Christian smilie: :santa:
For instance, Habibi didn't offend you with the monopoly on hate comment. You offended yourself by claiming Habibi said Christians had a monopoly on hate. READ it again, that's not what he said!!!!!!!
Now, let me end my statement with a good ole' Christian smilie: :santa:
I really think you need to RE-READ my post and not putting words in my posts.
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That's a really nice synopsis OGT (demented, but nice 
). You're quite a broken record in your misunderstanding of and long winded on the Old Testament.
Now run along , swallow your pride, and study the New Testament, you'll be singing a different tune.
). You're quite a broken record in your misunderstanding of and long winded on the Old Testament. Now run along , swallow your pride, and study the New Testament, you'll be singing a different tune.
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Of course I care.
Here's the thing Frank,
I was watching a special 2 hour episode on BAC's on television.
The reporter was in somm southern city (well to-do, all white upper class neighborhood)
So the reporter is in this families swanky house, the entire family is good looking, kids are cute as a button, and they are standing in the kitchen which probgably costs more than my entire house, but that's not the point, I just want you to have a feel for the setting..
So the reporter asks the kids 2 girls, 5 & 7)
What happens when you die? The girls answer "You go to hell and you stay there for all eternity"
Reporter asks the mother if the family taught their girls that to which she answers:
"Of course, we want to instill our Christian values, and we tell our girls what happens if you don't believe"
"You go to hell when you die, and you stay there in Satan's hellfire for all eternity, but not us, we will be in Heaven, and I can't wait for the day of reckoning to get here, I wish it would come tomorrow so I can see all the people who don't believe burn in hell".
I honestly thought this chick was going to have an orgazm the way she spoke of watching 'non-believers' roasting in Hell, while her and her rich family sunbathed in Heaven for all eternity.
Yeah, there's no hate there eh?
Cmon man, that is hate right there and that says a lot about how Christians believe themselves to be so highly entitled, it's like they think they know the Cadbury secret.
If that's not hate than you and I have two very definitions of the word.
Just so you know, this documentary thingy, they interviewed about 8 familes from down south somewhere and they all believed and said the same things, they were relishing the thought of being able to say "I told ya so, you had your chance, but you didn't listen, oh well, shrug'"
Here's the thing Frank,
I was watching a special 2 hour episode on BAC's on television.
The reporter was in somm southern city (well to-do, all white upper class neighborhood)
So the reporter is in this families swanky house, the entire family is good looking, kids are cute as a button, and they are standing in the kitchen which probgably costs more than my entire house, but that's not the point, I just want you to have a feel for the setting..
So the reporter asks the kids 2 girls, 5 & 7)
What happens when you die? The girls answer "You go to hell and you stay there for all eternity"
Reporter asks the mother if the family taught their girls that to which she answers:
"Of course, we want to instill our Christian values, and we tell our girls what happens if you don't believe"
"You go to hell when you die, and you stay there in Satan's hellfire for all eternity, but not us, we will be in Heaven, and I can't wait for the day of reckoning to get here, I wish it would come tomorrow so I can see all the people who don't believe burn in hell".
I honestly thought this chick was going to have an orgazm the way she spoke of watching 'non-believers' roasting in Hell, while her and her rich family sunbathed in Heaven for all eternity.
Yeah, there's no hate there eh?
Cmon man, that is hate right there and that says a lot about how Christians believe themselves to be so highly entitled, it's like they think they know the Cadbury secret.
If that's not hate than you and I have two very definitions of the word.
Just so you know, this documentary thingy, they interviewed about 8 familes from down south somewhere and they all believed and said the same things, they were relishing the thought of being able to say "I told ya so, you had your chance, but you didn't listen, oh well, shrug'"
Obviously, this is only one story in the media, but they for certain do not have a heart for souls. Period.
Also keep in mind (and I'm really not trying to make excuses for them) that the media has a way of editing footage to take things out of context. Having said that, there are many many Christians that once they are saved they become calloused by being persecuted and ridiculed. We are still human with sinful tendencies if we are not careful.
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I see. So, if you "believe" you get to pick and choose ? Only some "rules" apply, other need not be taken literal ? Kind of a crazy way to go about understanding a book. Who are you to say which scriptures should not be taken literal ? on what higher authority are you ? In all honesty, its people like you who preach understanding, tolerance, and try and skew the truth who are far worse then the extremeist.
Reminds me of most Christians... You bring up homosexuality, they bring up Lev 20:13 to condemn them. But when I ask why don't they destroy any town harboring an infidel, they say that those are the ways of the old testament, and not the teachings of Christ. Which is it ? The old testament is either true or false, no in betweens. PICK. Accept or question. Thats your only option.
So, should I not take the teachings of Jesus literal ? Maybe he wasn't being literal when he said he was dying for your sins ? How can you pick and choose what to believe ? you either subsribe, or you don't.
That is what your lord teaches. To kill anyone who does not believe. Not very "Christ like" if you ask me. But I am sure you have some way to twist this, to turn a cheek, to ignore it completely, or to rewrite it with a new meaning. Lets hear it spin doc.
Reminds me of most Christians... You bring up homosexuality, they bring up Lev 20:13 to condemn them. But when I ask why don't they destroy any town harboring an infidel, they say that those are the ways of the old testament, and not the teachings of Christ. Which is it ? The old testament is either true or false, no in betweens. PICK. Accept or question. Thats your only option.
So, should I not take the teachings of Jesus literal ? Maybe he wasn't being literal when he said he was dying for your sins ? How can you pick and choose what to believe ? you either subsribe, or you don't.
That is what your lord teaches. To kill anyone who does not believe. Not very "Christ like" if you ask me. But I am sure you have some way to twist this, to turn a cheek, to ignore it completely, or to rewrite it with a new meaning. Lets hear it spin doc.
MT: There are too many verses that you have pulled out of context to reply to here. I'll just say that the entire chapters have to be read to get the meaning. Sometimes the chapter before and after also have to be read. Jesus also many times spoke in parables.
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OH, I thought this was the new lawn mower thread,,, mmmm anyways live long and prosper!!! V I'm heading up to the right thread... sorry and continue.
cubby15:54 Thou shalt cut thou lawn whenest reaches theiy ankles.....
cubby15:54 Thou shalt cut thou lawn whenest reaches theiy ankles.....
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Right behind you Bucky boy!
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Aren't you aware of, "it's God's Will"
One individual accused of going against "God's will" was Benjamin Franklin. Less than 300 years ago, most religions still knew that lightning was "a heavenly manifestation of God's displeasures." So when Franklin, as a result of his famous kite and key experiment, invented the lightning rod, he was vilified by most Christians denominations and his invention was called the "heretical rod." The irony was that churches with their high steeples were most susceptible to lightning. It took some bad fires and another 50 years before churches began to quietly install lightning rods. Once again, the minds of humans had learned a new way to thwart "God's wrath" for the benefit of all. And when anesthesia was first discovered in the 1840s, religious leaders (and many religious, medical authorities) condemned its use in childbirth since the Bible said women must bear children in pain; that was "God's Will". Since this seemed rather heartless of God, it was explained that God knew what He was doing because new-born infants would instinctively know that they weren't truly loved by their mothers, if these mother had not suffered in childbirth. But the so-called authorities thought it best to change their minds when Queen Victoria, head of the Church of England, chose to use anesthesia during childbirth.
If our values were truly founded on an absolute, biblically based Judeo-Christian morality (a part-truth), it's instructive to note how many of these so-called God-given values have changed (most would say for the better) over the past two centuries. In defiance of biblical commands, we no longer allow slavery, persecute "witches" or put people to death who've committed adultery, or homosexual acts. We've passed child labor laws, gave women the right to vote and legalized contraception. Recently we even made it against the law for husbands to rape their wives. However, because of one brand of Christian morality (supported by a 5-4 majority of the U.S. Supreme court in 1986), it's still against the law for husbands and wives to have oral sex in their bedroom in almost half our states.
believe it or not.
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Religious "true believers" often seem to have no way (or desire) to distinguish between their own self-serving desire and "God's will." Slavery in the past was "God's Will". They also knew that it was "God's Will" that humans not be allowed to use contraception. Recently, many knew that it was "God's Will" that the Equal Rights Amendments be defeated, which, with their help, it was in 1982. Today, they know that it's "God's Will" that women not be allowed to have total reproductive control over their own bodies, or that Gays and Lesbians not be allowed equal rights. And so they are currently working very hard to undermine abortion rights and laws which protect against Gay discrimination. Some even know that the United States is "God's chosen Country" and that it is "God's Will" that we build newer and better weapons so that "God's Country" will remain the strongest in the world.
One individual accused of going against "God's will" was Benjamin Franklin. Less than 300 years ago, most religions still knew that lightning was "a heavenly manifestation of God's displeasures." So when Franklin, as a result of his famous kite and key experiment, invented the lightning rod, he was vilified by most Christians denominations and his invention was called the "heretical rod." The irony was that churches with their high steeples were most susceptible to lightning. It took some bad fires and another 50 years before churches began to quietly install lightning rods. Once again, the minds of humans had learned a new way to thwart "God's wrath" for the benefit of all. And when anesthesia was first discovered in the 1840s, religious leaders (and many religious, medical authorities) condemned its use in childbirth since the Bible said women must bear children in pain; that was "God's Will". Since this seemed rather heartless of God, it was explained that God knew what He was doing because new-born infants would instinctively know that they weren't truly loved by their mothers, if these mother had not suffered in childbirth. But the so-called authorities thought it best to change their minds when Queen Victoria, head of the Church of England, chose to use anesthesia during childbirth.
If our values were truly founded on an absolute, biblically based Judeo-Christian morality (a part-truth), its instructive to note how many of these so-called God-given values have changed (most would say for the better) over the past two centuries. In defiance of biblical commands, we no longer allow slavery, persecute "witches" or put people to death who've committed adultery, or homosexual acts. We've passed child labor laws, gave women the right to vote and legalized contraception. Recently we even made it against the law for husbands to rape their wives. However, because of one brand of Christian morality (supported by a 5-4 majority of the U.S. Supreme court in 1986), it's still against the law for husbands and wives to have oral sex in their bedroom in almost half our states. believe it or not.
One individual accused of going against "God's will" was Benjamin Franklin. Less than 300 years ago, most religions still knew that lightning was "a heavenly manifestation of God's displeasures." So when Franklin, as a result of his famous kite and key experiment, invented the lightning rod, he was vilified by most Christians denominations and his invention was called the "heretical rod." The irony was that churches with their high steeples were most susceptible to lightning. It took some bad fires and another 50 years before churches began to quietly install lightning rods. Once again, the minds of humans had learned a new way to thwart "God's wrath" for the benefit of all. And when anesthesia was first discovered in the 1840s, religious leaders (and many religious, medical authorities) condemned its use in childbirth since the Bible said women must bear children in pain; that was "God's Will". Since this seemed rather heartless of God, it was explained that God knew what He was doing because new-born infants would instinctively know that they weren't truly loved by their mothers, if these mother had not suffered in childbirth. But the so-called authorities thought it best to change their minds when Queen Victoria, head of the Church of England, chose to use anesthesia during childbirth.
If our values were truly founded on an absolute, biblically based Judeo-Christian morality (a part-truth), its instructive to note how many of these so-called God-given values have changed (most would say for the better) over the past two centuries. In defiance of biblical commands, we no longer allow slavery, persecute "witches" or put people to death who've committed adultery, or homosexual acts. We've passed child labor laws, gave women the right to vote and legalized contraception. Recently we even made it against the law for husbands to rape their wives. However, because of one brand of Christian morality (supported by a 5-4 majority of the U.S. Supreme court in 1986), it's still against the law for husbands and wives to have oral sex in their bedroom in almost half our states.
believe it or not.You're wrong again about the oral sex issue also. The Bible says, "the marriage bed is not defiled." That means whatever 2 married people are ok with between themselves, God is ok with.
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I'm overdue also, I keep staring at the rider, but that's as far as I get.
You know you're lazy when you don't want to cut your grass with a rider
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Being the Good Christian that you are, (no sarcasm meant) Jesus orders you to spread his word: Mark 16:15,16 "and he said to them, "Go in to all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believe and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned. Now, before you start your name calling at me and tell me that I am taking the verse out of context because of the "and he said to them (the eleven)" V-14, I would like to point out that Jesus orders Verse 17 are also for you. "And these signs will follow those who believe:.....". So, since you are quick to point out on several posts that I misinterpret The Bible, here is your chance to obey the Lord your God and correct me when I'm wrong about the "true word of God". Notice I made emphasis on the word "Correct me", one liners such as "you wrong", "again old testament, try again" "you all sound like broken records" "you have to have faith", are not acceptable. Explain to me in detail, why, how, where I'm wrong and what is the "true" interpretation. On many of my posts I have asked questions and so far none of you so called "true Cristains" have made an antempt to follow Jesus' command found on Mark 16:15.
I've seen posts such as "I believe in God and I am a true Christian", well to me, it all sound good. You know, maybe I would like to say those words some day. How about you spreading Jesus' word and sharing with me how you have come to believe in a powerful force and how you receive guidance to interpret the Bible in order to accept it as the "true word of God".
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Since I always have to guess what you are attempting to get across with your one liners. I will assume that you are well versed on the "Sacred" Bible the "true" word of God.
Being the Good Christian that you are, (no sarcasm meant) Jesus orders you to spread his word: Mark 16:15,16 "and he said to them, "Go in to all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believe and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned. Now, before you start your name calling on me and tell me that I am taking the verse out of context because of the "and he said to them (the eleven)" V-14, I would like to point out that Jesus is also tell this to you on Verse 17. "And these signs will follow those who believe:.....". So, since you are quick to point out on several posts that I misinterpret The Bible, here is your chance to obey the Lord your God and correct me when I'm wrong about the "true word of God". Notice I made emphasis on the word "Correct me", one liners such as "you wrong", "again old testament, try again" "you all sound like broken records" "you have to have faith", are not acceptable. Explain to me in detail, why, how, where I'm wrong and what is the "true" interpretation. On many of my posts I have asked questions and so far none of you so called "true Cristains" have made an antempt to follow Jesus' command found on Mark 16:15.
I've seen posts such as "I believe in God and I am a true Christian", well to me, it all sound good. You know, maybe I would like to say that some day. How about you spreading Jesus' word and sharing with me how you have come to believe in a powerful force and how you receive guidance to interpret the Bible in order to accept it as the "true world of God".
Being the Good Christian that you are, (no sarcasm meant) Jesus orders you to spread his word: Mark 16:15,16 "and he said to them, "Go in to all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believe and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned. Now, before you start your name calling on me and tell me that I am taking the verse out of context because of the "and he said to them (the eleven)" V-14, I would like to point out that Jesus is also tell this to you on Verse 17. "And these signs will follow those who believe:.....". So, since you are quick to point out on several posts that I misinterpret The Bible, here is your chance to obey the Lord your God and correct me when I'm wrong about the "true word of God". Notice I made emphasis on the word "Correct me", one liners such as "you wrong", "again old testament, try again" "you all sound like broken records" "you have to have faith", are not acceptable. Explain to me in detail, why, how, where I'm wrong and what is the "true" interpretation. On many of my posts I have asked questions and so far none of you so called "true Cristains" have made an antempt to follow Jesus' command found on Mark 16:15.
I've seen posts such as "I believe in God and I am a true Christian", well to me, it all sound good. You know, maybe I would like to say that some day. How about you spreading Jesus' word and sharing with me how you have come to believe in a powerful force and how you receive guidance to interpret the Bible in order to accept it as the "true world of God".
In those verses also, Jesus Christ lays out to the apostles the powers that they will be given. Once the apostles died, these powers ceased, I.E. casting out demons, speaking in tongues etc. Speaking in tongues is an abused and misused verse in the Bible by Pentecostals today. Many times these people that supposedly speak in tongues are trained to do such and are repeating the same thing over and over.
In the Apostles' time the Day of Pentecost was when Peter spoke to the gathering in his native language, but was understood by every foreigner.
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Wrong again OT. Slavery was never God's will. It had already been practiced before the law was handed down. As with divorce. God never intended divorce to happen except in instances of infidelity. But the people demanded it through "the hardness of their hearts."
You're wrong again about the oral sex issue also. The Bible says, "the marriage bed is not defiled." That means whatever 2 married people are ok with between themselves, God is ok with.
You're wrong again about the oral sex issue also. The Bible says, "the marriage bed is not defiled." That means whatever 2 married people are ok with between themselves, God is ok with.
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In Mark 16:9-20 you are correct in that every Christian is to witness and win souls for Christ.
In those verses also, Jesus Christ lays out to the apostles the powers that they will be given. Once the apostles died, these powers ceased, I.E. casting out demons, speaking in tongues etc. Speaking in tongues is an abused and misused verse in the Bible by Pentecostals today. Many times these people that supposedly speak in tongues are trained to do such and are repeating the same thing over and over.
In the Apostles' time the Day of Pentecost was when Peter spoke to the gathering in his native language, but was understood by every foreigner.
In those verses also, Jesus Christ lays out to the apostles the powers that they will be given. Once the apostles died, these powers ceased, I.E. casting out demons, speaking in tongues etc. Speaking in tongues is an abused and misused verse in the Bible by Pentecostals today. Many times these people that supposedly speak in tongues are trained to do such and are repeating the same thing over and over.
In the Apostles' time the Day of Pentecost was when Peter spoke to the gathering in his native language, but was understood by every foreigner.
This post was intended for stealth, I didn't asked for your opinion did I, if I ever need your opinion I'll give it to you; are we clear!? 