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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:34 PM
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A scientific position does not stand or fall by who endorses it, but by the actual evidence. There-for, my belief system is based on skeptical inquiry and hard evidence; not on ancient authority, on belief in a literal reading of the Bible and especially not in Genesis-I. In science, new facts are used to enhance our understanding. Thus, science keeps learning more and more. Herein lies the essence of the scientific method and the factor that has enabled science to progress so far and so quickly: the ability to adapt and grow with the acquisitions of new knowledge.
An ability provided by God.
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by OGTerror
Paraphrased from the writings of the famous theologian, Paul Tillich: 'I recognize that it is by no means easy to hold beliefs for which one might even be willing to die, and yet remain open to new insights. But it is precisely such a combination of commitment and inquiry that constitutes religious and scientific maturity. A religious man is a searching man who seeks answers to his faith, even if the answers sometimes hurt.'
Your "God" states that if I don't accept your belief system, I will for eternity burn in hell. Your fingers are typing one thing but by accepting that the bible is the "True World of God" and so is totally true in every important sense, you are in fact condemning me for not accepting your belief.
I don't need to apologize but sorry I can't accept you belief system. Your views are not an elastic world-view that can be updated with advances in scientific knowledge. "The Word of God", your Bible, is indeed based on absolute, literal, unchangeable reading. If I accept it, I would be back in the Dark ages believing that our sun went around a stationary flat earth and that diseases were caused by evil spirits.
A scientific position does not stand or fall by who endorses it, but by the actual evidence. There-for, my belief system is based on skeptical inquiry and hard evidence; not on ancient authority, on belief in a literal reading of the Bible and especially not in Genesis-I. In science, new facts are used to enhance our understanding. Thus, science keeps learning more and more. Herein lies the essence of the scientific method and the factor that has enabled science to progress so far and so quickly: the ability to adapt and grow with the acquisitions of new knowledge.
In response to your post, see Ludwig's quotes in my sig.
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
Obviously you guys have not 'evolved'. Christians didn't destroy the WTC.
No, terrorists did. You know the type, not true Muslims ( quote from you on the OK and UK bombings ).

Originally Posted by Frank S
It's really inexorably risible to see you all trying to put me into the "bigot" box.
You put yourself there by using terrorist and Muslim interchangeably. You blamed Muslims for 9/11, not terrorists.
Why is this, they were not true Muslims ?

Originally Posted by Frank S
It really is sad to see the hatred expressed on this board. I really thought that we could achieve a sense of decorum here.
I see a bunch of hate towards Muslims from you, and name calling to their Prophet. Is that part of that "Love thy fellow man" ?
I only see you poking and prodding at the Muslim beliefs, did I miss someone else ? I only see posts pointing out how this type of hatred is not a very Christian thing for you to be doing.
Originally Posted by Frank S
I never once said that all Muslims are terrorists.
You have yet to come out and say it, but you have blamed Muslims for 9/11 and not stopping terrorist acts, as if they are in control of it.
You seem to think they are, but have yet to provide proof as to how ( aside from they can and you know it... )
The general Muslim population is not performing the acts you make note of.

You want to stop the confusion, stop blaming Muslims for the acts that terrorists are committing. Additionally, you might want to stop the name calling of their Prophet, and pointing out errors ( as you see them ) in their holy book. Same can apply to the Christian bible, all in what you want to take away from it.
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:49 PM
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Obviously you have no concern in your heart for the people that have lost loved ones on 9/11/01.

How truly sad and disheartening. The Muslim community could stop the violence today, and you know it.
You are wrong, plain & simple.
I remember the morning of September 11th perfectly well (who doesn't).
Watching the loss of life on TV brought tears to my eyes, it was mind numbing and horrific.

Now I'll address the real silly part of your statement:

Do you think that the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims are all connected to the same Facebook Social Network?

Do you think that the terrorists who cause these acts against humanity are all connected to the same network?

Maybe they formed a Facebook group titled "19 of us are gonna blow up the WTC Towers, who wants in?"

All 1.8 Billion Muslims from around the world logged in and said:
"Hey Muhammad(s), I'm very busy that morning so I can't join, but good luck to you all, we'll be rooting for you, woot!"

This is the crux of the problem Frank, you take every Muslim, and you don't differentiate between the words Muslim & Terrorist, they are one in the same to you and all interchangeable. It’s not that hard to see the difference, and for as smart as you are, I can't believe you can be so blindly stubborn.

There must be a lot of hate in your heart for you to be that way and I honestly think you are misdirecting your anger at the wrong group.
At least you're not alone in the world because there are a lot of Franks in the world who feel the exact same way.

You need to open your eyes, open your mind and at least 'consider' the possibility that you are wrong. All that hate flowing through you must be like a poison.
Find a way to get it out and a happier life awaits you.

The terrorism thread that faces the world today is a complex problem that requires a complex solution, you attempt at cheapening and simplifying the solution by painting everyone with the same brush:

"All Muslims are our enemy and want to see us dead,

Signed
Frank"
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
Obviously you guys have not 'evolved'. Christians didn't destroy the WTC.

It's really inexorably risible to see you all trying to put me into the "bigot" box.

It really is sad to see the hatred expressed on this board. I really thought that we could achieve a sense of decorum here.

I never once said that all Muslims are terrorists.

It is true that people like Hezbollah, and Hamas could be persuaded into giving up their arms if more moderate Muslims stretched out their hands for peace and allowed Israel to live in peace, as they so heartily desire. Even Obama stated that he would have a problem with rockets raining down on his family's house.
Yes frank I completely agree with you on this one, but the US should take action by being a rolmodel and disarming it self first and show how peaceful a nation and or country can be if only they used their arms for hugging. If we didn't stick our noses in the middle east and force them to live their lives as we see fit we wouldn't have had 9/11. Saddam was thought of possessing nuclear weapons, he insisted in not possessing them, we still went in and took him down due to fears that he would use it against the US. But here is North Korean leader Kim Jong II who out loud claims to have nuclear weapons and warned of its' attempt to use it against the US. But we do nothing to take him out. Why? No Oil?
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SSCULLY
No, terrorists did. You know the type, not true Muslims ( quote from you on the OK and UK bombings ).


You put yourself there by using terrorist and Muslim interchangeably. You blamed Muslims for 9/11, not terrorists.
Why is this, they were not true Muslims ?


I see a bunch of hate towards Muslims from you, and name calling to their Prophet. Is that part of that "Love thy fellow man" ?
I only see you poking and prodding at the Muslim beliefs, did I miss someone else ? I only see posts pointing out how this type of hatred is not a very Christian thing for you to be doing.

You have yet to come out and say it, but you have blamed Muslims for 9/11 and not stopping terrorist acts, as if they are in control of it.
You seem to think they are, but have yet to provide proof as to how ( aside from they can and you know it... )
The general Muslim population is not performing the acts you make note of.

You want to stop the confusion, stop blaming Muslims for the acts that terrorists are committing. Additionally, you might want to stop the name calling of their Prophet, and pointing out errors ( as you see them ) in their holy book. Same can apply to the Christian bible, all in what you want to take away from it.
It is an undeniable fact that the 9/11 hi-jackers were Muslim.
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OGTerror
Yes frank I completely agree with you on this one, but the US should take action by being a rolmodel and disarming it self first and show how peaceful a nation and or country can be if only they used their arms for hugging. If we didn't stick our noses in the middle east and force them to live their lives as we see fit we wouldn't have had 9/11. Saddam was thought of possessing nuclear weapons, he insisted in not possessing them, we still went in and took him down due to fears that he would use it against the US. But here is North Korean leader Kim Jong II who out loud claims to have nuclear weapons and warned of its' attempt to use it against the US. But we do nothing to take him out. Why? No Oil?
N. Korea is another problem entirely. He has nukes, and saddam didn't. Kim is crazy enough to use them also. I do not agree that 9/11 never would've happened if we weren't in the middle east. We (the U.S.) are the great satan and Israel is the little satan to many millions of M.E. Muslims.

If it werent for the Carter Doctrine, we would be drilling our own oil off the coast of the U.S. and buying from our friendlies like Canada.
 

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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Habibi
You are wrong, plain & simple.
I remember the morning of September 11th perfectly well (who doesn't).
Watching the loss of life on TV brought tears to my eyes, it was mind numbing and horrific.

Now I'll address the real silly part of your statement:

Do you think that the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims are all connected to the same Facebook Social Network?

Do you think that the terrorists who cause these acts against humanity are all connected to the same network?

Maybe they formed a Facebook group titled "19 of us are gonna blow up the WTC Towers, who wants in?"

All 1.8 Billion Muslims from around the world logged in and said:
"Hey Muhammad(s), I'm very busy that morning so I can't join, but good luck to you all, we'll be rooting for you, woot!"

This is the crux of the problem Frank, you take every Muslim, and you don't differentiate between the words Muslim & Terrorist, they are one in the same to you and all interchangeable. It’s not that hard to see the difference, and for as smart as you are, I can't believe you can be so blindly stubborn.

There must be a lot of hate in your heart for you to be that way and I honestly think you are misdirecting your anger at the wrong group.
At least you're not alone in the world because there are a lot of Franks in the world who feel the exact same way.

You need to open your eyes, open your mind and at least 'consider' the possibility that you are wrong. All that hate flowing through you must be like a poison.
Find a way to get it out and a happier life awaits you.

The terrorism thread that faces the world today is a complex problem that requires a complex solution, you attempt at cheapening and simplifying the solution by painting everyone with the same brush:

"All Muslims are our enemy and want to see us dead,

Signed
Frank"
Habibi, I really thought you were more intelligent than to infer what you did in this post. And I DO NOT mean that as an insult.

I never once said that ALL Muslims are terrorists. There is no hate in me whatsoever towards peaceful Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc etc.

So please get off your high horse, and go back and re-read my posts with an open mind.

With your reasoning, I could infer that you have a love for the men that destroyed the WTC.
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
If it werent for the Carter Doctrine, we would be drilling our own oil off the coast of the U.S. and buying from our friendlies like Canada.


We get the majority of our oil from Canada.

The top sources of US crude oil imports for June were Canada (2.001 million barrels per day), Venezuela (1.119 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.099 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (0.902 million barrels per day), and Nigeria (0.769 million barrels per day). The rest of the top ten sources, in order, were Angola (0.435 million barrels per day), Iraq (0.374 million barrels per day), Russia (0.305 million barrels per day), Columbia (0.286 million barrels per day), and Brazil (0.269 million barrels per day). Total crude oil imports averaged 9.172 million barrels per day in June, which is an increase of (0.241) million barrels per day from May 2009.
Source:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Norm


We get the majority of our oil from Canada.



Source:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html
You inferred that I wasn't aware of that. My point was that we would get MORE oil from the Canadians than we are currently.
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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Nice dodge. If we could buy more form them don't you think we would? I am sure they use some themselves and have other customers.
OG, If Iraq was about oil why are we getting so little from there?
 

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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Norm
An ability provided by God.
Your supernatural answer is non-falsifiable; scientific evidence weakening your claim could be explained away. For example, why do fossils exist that make it look just like we evolved? "Because God wants to test our faith." Your supernatural answer doesn't lead to new predictions, or suggests new experiments that could advance knowledge. It's a dead end.
The essence of science is skepticism, controls, reproducibility, reason and logic. It demands adherence to the evidence despite beliefs to the contrary. The essence of religion is faith, authority, inner knowing and emotion.
 

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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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[QUOTE=Norm;3893670]Nice dodge. If we could buy more form them don't you think we would? I am sure they use some themselves and have other customers.
OG, If Iraq was about oil why are we getting so little from there?[/QUOTE

No dodge, I should've made my post clearer.

Actually, China is buying oil from Iraq. The Council on Foreign Relations makes our foreign policy in this country. China is securing oil from all over the globe for the future, while we are paying for "green energy".

I would suggest subscribing to, "Foreign Affairs." What is in that magazine appears on the nightly news a few weeks later.
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Norm
Nice dodge. If we could buy more form them don't you think we would? I am sure they use some themselves and have other customers.
OG, If Iraq was about oil why are we getting so little from there?
Where do you get your statistic from? Prayer?
 
Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank S
It is an undeniable fact that the 9/11 hi-jackers were Muslim.
And the OK city bombing and London & Belfast were Christians.

Let those without sin cast the first stone
 



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