You can't offend my Faith. I was simply expressing my views. It seems that everyone lumps each religion into one whole. Apparently God likes variety. We learn from our parents, some go through life just going through the motions of their Fathers. (I know , it a paraphrase from the Bible. But I don't quote Scripture much.) As Habibi said, "You can't fool an Omnipotent being". God knows what is inside of you. But as I have said here, "We do serve a purpose". We don't know what it is, but we would not be here if we had no purpose. Even Mohamed said. "Surely we will all sit in Heaven together" I'm to lazy to look the verse up. But the most important thing is, The Holy Books were written by people seeking God. Also our Holy Bible is just the story of one family, that was the first to write history. Whether it is exaggerated or not.
I say to you what was said to me once, "One day, you will seek God" You don't have to post a retort to that, because I said the same thing.

 

When I wrote that Frank, I meant from a Muslim's perspective.
Me a Muslim? No, I'm 100% Agnostic as they come, no surprises.

I keep an open mind and fully accept the idea that anything is possible.
In my mind, to believe in something without any proof is irrational and not logical.

Theists are delusional, irrational and superstitious. This isn't an attack but more of a diagnosis. Theism is a mental virus.

Does this make believers bad? Of course not, I'm just stating a fact how believing in something without .00000001% of a shred of evidence makes no sense.

Remember, Faith doesn't = evidence.

Mark Twain said "Faith is believing in what you know ain't so."

I don't have ill feelings for you Frank, I think you're allright actually, and I'm glad we can come on here and have discussions in a respectful manner.

Now Stealth on the other hand, I don't know about him, his one liners are getting old, he needs a new repertoire

Getting back to Muslims, I have a few Muslim friends and they won't secretly wish us dead or kill us if they had a chance. They are just like us and despise the people who have brought shame to their religion.

I think you are correct in the Muslim countries like Afghanistan and places where they still live in caves.
The only way to stop ignorance is through education, and we've all got a long way to go.

 

They serve their purpose Habibi. Short, to the point, and keep people on their toes.

All this is really so simple yet some of you people make it so difficult. It really does humor me.

 

Yes, and the bible does not have a single "mistake" or contradiction in it ?

You are correct, you never came out and said it, but you use the religious preference of a person in exchange for the word terrorist.
It is good to see that you understand they are not one in the same thing, now you just need to do the christian thing, and start using the word terrorist.

What are the Buddhists doing ?
What are the Jewish doing ?
What are the Hindus doing ?

You make it sounds as if it is the job or responsibility of Muslims to put an end to this, even though it is not the Muslims doing it ( again it is terrorists doing this ). Where are the Christians in stopping wars ( that we start ) ? Oh yea, right in the mix shooting and bombing those heathens until they have a country as we see fit.

You guessed wrong, he would be a person that likes his fellow man, and is respecting their religion
You know like they teach in those Christian churches on Sunday. Sound familiar, or is the line love thy fellow man, as long as they are Christian ?
You really should look to your own bible when casting stones about pedophiles. How long did Cain walk the desert after committing the first murder ? Either he was out there a really long time, or his sister was young.

Don't go casting stones, This could be one of those mistakes, a bit of a contradiction here, wouldn't you say ?
Also, selling your daughter was OK ( you cannot even do that in Nevada )

Maybe Christians should follow this also, In the US ( founded as a freedom of religion country, mostly Christian ) we have a tendency to kill in other countries based upon what we think that country should have.
They won't convert to a democracy, so we go in a bomb the crap out of them.

The phrase I think is Love thy fellow man, without exclusion. You have an axe to grind with Muslims, and you really should not go around insulting their prophet like that. Think if someone were to do it to Jesus, what would you think about that ?

 

Biblical literalism (word-for-word biblical infallibility) has been increasingly discredited for well over a hundred years, not only because of the many scientific findings, but also because of a more thorough critical, scientific analysis of biblical text, a process that is still actively pursued.
The analysis of the Bible and other "sacred" text using the latest scientific tools of historical discoveries and comparative religious studies, has revealed to many experts that these books are very human documents instead of the literal word of some divine authority. They were written by people who lived thousands of years ago and who knew no more concerning the nature of the cosmos, the world, or life than considered any other ancient people. Much of what is considered sacred in the Bible has been found to be an amalgam of those writings found in adjoining ancient cultures (Egypt, Greece and Mesopotamia) whose authors also tried to convince their followers that their utterances and pronouncements had divine origin. And much of the New Testament has even been documented to be fiction.
Miracle births and resurrection stories were common about 2000 years ago according to Dr. Gerald Larue, Professor Emeritus of Archaeological and Biblical studies, University of Southern California. The early Christian writers simply adapted current hero stories to Jesus, producing a legendary figure, a faith symbol around whom an entire belief system would emerge. Many of the sayings attributed to Jesus were merely compilations of the developing movement, but attributed to Jesus to give him authority. According to Dr. Van Harvey, Professor of Religion, Stanford University, "...there is scarcely a popularly held traditional belief about Jesus that is not regarded with considerable skepticism."

 

I'm just going to answer your reckless diatribe with this: If you honestly think the Muslim community couldn't end the rocket launches against the Jews, terrorist attacks like 9/11 and the many others committed since 9/11, you are sadly mistaken. Of course I have an ax to grind, 3000 of my fellow Americans were murdered on 9/11. How soon we forget.

 

Good for you Frank,

At least you are able to admit your intolerance and prejudice of being a self proclaimed bigot; what a good Christian you are, truly inspiring.

 

Well this was a middle aged white American (the kinda stereo typing the Muslim extremest use) lets see how great of a man he is
Jaycee Dugard

Or how could we forget these up standing members of the church.
Catholic priest scandal

Oh and these guys have never done anything to upset them.
Prisoner Abuse Cases At Gitmo

Im typing this at around 05:30 before I go to work as a United States Marine im not looking for thanks or a pat on the back I just want to make it known that we train to know our enemy and in that are trained by some of these "Muslim Christian killers" and besides for skin tone and a different religious belief remind me of most people.

No I haven't forgotten I went and joined because of it now four years of my life along with many others. Who should not be forgotten are the Marines, Soldiers, Airmen and Sailors that have given there life so that the citizens of American can continue there pursuit of happiness.

 

OK! I know what I know. You know what you know. One day we will both have the answer. I don't condemn anyone for their beliefs, and I find no point in arguing them. But I can say "I found peace". I found them in the words of an ancient man. I don't get a thrill in the argument. I'll leave that to the people that do. Have a great day.

 

Obviously you have no concern in your heart for the people that have lost loved ones on 9/11/01.

How truly sad and disheartening. The Muslim community could stop the violence today, and you know it.

 

Everything you have stated is based on "secular modern textual criticism." In fact, a huge source of the modern criticism we see now was Brooke Westcott, the pedophile head of the 6th form of Harrow School in England, who later "revised" the Greek OT and NT.

Christians have been hearing it, in varying forms, for almost 2000 years.

Curious that the other major religions of the world are not attacked with such intensity. That in fact, was one of the things years ago that piqued my curiosity.

 

I still have to think the post about Sunday Armchair Christian is the most correct statement here.

Do you really think you are going to heaven with this hate for your fellow man in your heart ? From what you have posted, I would say no ( just using your comments about why to support why you are not ).

I can only hope the percentage of Christians ( like yourself ) that hate Muslims is about the same percentage of Muslims that commit terrorist acts.
Something tells me it is not the case though.

Makes me proud to be a Druid.

This is just flat out wrong.
You are the one crossing the 2, don't make comments like this about your fellow man without some kind of proof to support it.

You are the one blaming Muslims for these things, where the real blame belongs with the Terrorists.

Stop using them interchangeably, they are not.

Please provide some proof of this, aside from your version of Christianity that hates all Muslims.

Do you have this same kind of hatred against Buddhists and Hindus also, or are you taught to just hate Muslims ?

 

History has a fine example of condemning an entire race or religion based upon some "perceived" wickedness or threat to the well-being of society. His name was Adolf Hitler. It's sad that this way of thinking is still around. I'd hoped we'd evolved a bit since then.

- Jack

 

Paraphrased from the writings of the famous theologian, Paul Tillich: 'I recognize that it is by no means easy to hold beliefs for which one might even be willing to die, and yet remain open to new insights. But it is precisely such a combination of commitment and inquiry that constitutes religious and scientific maturity. A religious man is a searching man who seeks answers to his faith, even if the answers sometimes hurt.'
Your "God" states that if I don't accept your belief system, I will for eternity burn in hell. Your fingers are typing one thing but by accepting that the bible is the "True World of God" and so is totally true in every important sense, you are in fact condemning me for not accepting your belief.
I don't need to apologize but sorry I can't accept you belief system. Your views are not an elastic world-view that can be updated with advances in scientific knowledge. "The Word of God", your Bible, is indeed based on absolute, literal, unchangeable reading. If I accept it, I would be back in the Dark ages believing that our sun went around a stationary flat earth and that diseases were caused by evil spirits.
A scientific position does not stand or fall by who endorses it, but by the actual evidence. There-for, my belief system is based on skeptical inquiry and hard evidence; not on ancient authority, on belief in a literal reading of the Bible and especially not in Genesis-I. In science, new facts are used to enhance our understanding. Thus, science keeps learning more and more. Herein lies the essence of the scientific method and the factor that has enabled science to progress so far and so quickly: the ability to adapt and grow with the acquisitions of new knowledge.

 

Obviously you guys have not 'evolved'. Christians didn't destroy the WTC.

It's really inexorably risible to see you all trying to put me into the "bigot" box.

It really is sad to see the hatred expressed on this board. I really thought that we could achieve a sense of decorum here.

I never once said that all Muslims are terrorists.

It is true that people like Hezbollah, and Hamas could be persuaded into giving up their arms if more moderate Muslims stretched out their hands for peace and allowed Israel to live in peace, as they so heartily desire. Even Obama stated that he would have a problem with rockets raining down on his family's house.