Who says there all correct? Human logic? Hypothesis is a guess i think. Gotta have faith. Anyways im quiting but i just wanted to puut my story out there and let ppl know that i dont take ne credit. Way i see it Lord helped guide docs hands and when the docs gave up on me(wanted to put me in a nursing home type deal at 16yo)..the Lord didnt and thats it.

Everbody take it ez,
offroadn'98

 

No one says they're correct. It's what makes sense, though. Of course much of science changes constantly--it's why our human race has progressed.

A hypothesis is a proposal to explain certain facts or observations. So actually, in those terms, faith is a hypothesis trying to explain why we're here. The difference is that science asks more questions.


Your God is going to send me to Hell one day. Not because of how I live my life, but because I don't blindly accept that he exists. Because I think for myself. So despite the fact that I'm an extremely nice person, avoid most confrontation (if you don't believe me, find my recent Wal-Mart thread ), and go out of my way to help people daily, I'm still going to burn forever. It's too bad that he doesn't want people to question who they are. What a nice God.

That's amazing. Congratulations on your recovery.

Please don't take this as picking at you, but I am curious. It is amazing what happened, no doubt, but this seems to be one of those "God is testing me" ordeals. Who says you couldn't have done it by yourself? Why do you doubt yourself so much?

What was the cause of the crash? Of course if all this was God testing your faith then He was the cause. If it was Him testing you and Him that pulled you through it then what difference did the praying make? No doubt if it was God then it was in his divine plan. His divine plan is his, so no amount of prayer will change it...why bother praying?

Again don't take this as picking at you. As one who doesn't practice Christianity regularly and being of about the same age I'm curious about these things. These are questions that hold me back. And a simple "It's all about the faith" isn't a good answer---more of a cop out. You have to ask questions in your life if you are to better yourself. I can't imagine a loving God that would expect otherwise.

Not in this thread.

I consider myself agnostic, which means I believe that no one can know whether or not their is a God. It's all belief--no one knows for sure. The more I ask questions and seek answers, though, the more I come in contact with your fellow Christians. The way a lot of your so-called Christian brothers act, though, is turning me more away from Christianity than towards it.

I can't accept a God that will send honest, caring people to Hell while taking in Christians that lead lives to make you wonder why they're Christian. Simply because they accept the He is their God? I don't think I would like a God that thinks like that. Again, don't think I'm trying to nitpick at you--I can relate more to someone my age about religion.

Question for the Christians: how does it make you feel knowing that had you been born in Pakistan or some other middle-eastern country that you would be a practicing Muslim? Answering that God made you born here for a reason isn't a very good answer. In that sense you're saying that God is going to send over half the world to Hell simply because they weren't born in a Christian country.

 

Low blow.

It's interesting that when people find someone that has actually READ the Qur'an, that is the time the crickets really appear.

 

RE: Whereas creationist will only look for an accept that "evidence" which supports their beliefs, scientist will actually lean over backwards in a attempt to prove their favorite hypotheses Wrong. Scientists are repeatedly challenged by the true-believers to disprove the claims of the pseudo-scientists. But in science it doesn't work that way. Instead, the burden of proof rests squarely on those who make the claim in the first place, not on others to prove them wrong. Besides, science can never prove a negative. For example, those who believe that space aliens are hiding among us often demand that scientists prove them wrong. But how can scientists prove that no where on Earth is a space alien in disguise, or that no person has ever been cured of cancer by homeopathic medicine, or that no one in California has ESP ability. Can't be done. So, instead, science requires that those who make such claims provide the scientific evidence in support. If no solid, scientific evidence comes forth, science has no reason to waste it's time with the claim.

 

Good point Frank I'm in the same boat with you, "It's interesting that when people find someone that has actually READ the [Bible], that is the time the crickets really appear."

 

I'm still waiting on the so-called contradictions.

 

Science never built anything that grows, and repairs itself.
Just an observation. Unless you credit science for creating the Human body

 

"Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life"

If you guys choose to follow Darwin, make sure you read his entire book. In it you will find that he is racist and believes the African brain is inferior to the Caucasian. I disagree.

 

Great observation and an excellent reasoning not to believe in science and still keep believing that your "Perfect God" created a recent flat earth, which sits on a foundation and does not move. Right on we can drink some more to that.

 

Actually OG, the Bible says that the earth is circular. It was the Catholic church that thought the earth was flat in Galileo's times.

When the Bible talks about the "foundation" of the earth, this is better translated, "founded", since God created the earth. He didn't set up forms and pour concrete to make a foundation.

Not every verse in the Bible is to be interpreted literally. Some are interpreted allegorically.

If I told you that I had to "run to the store", that does not necessarily mean I am literally running to the store. I could be driving, walking, riding a bicycle, etc.

 

You never ead my post'. I agreed wth the fact religion has made plenty of mistakes. Just look back through my post'. The Dark Ages were full of superstition.
I just couldn't let you statment pass

 

God's not sending you to hell mblouir...you kno the word obviously. if you choose to believe it than thats your deal all i can do is pray for you. and no i dont think God had anything to do with my actual car wreck i think that he did chose to let me recover tho..and that actually is offensive mblouir just because you say "dont think im picking at you" doesn't mean you can pick fun at a event that has dramatically changed my whole life...notice that i haven't said anything mean just shared my story and what i believe and you lash out by making fun of me!...you got a great argument may i say! And you don't think Christians all over the world are persucuted? Get for real! Its not even popular to be as christian if your running for political office by the way...just sayin!
And finally i want to reiterate that God doesnt send anyone to hell its your choice...its a free gift all you have to do is accept it! anyway you have no idea how much pain i went thru and dont think you can belittle that plz! It's all about faith these worldly explainations are what the lord warns us against! In the bible written 3000 years ago. IT'S ABOUT FAITH.

Granted...having faith and believing in God is not something you can wrap your mind around he tells us were not going to understand it!

Do you seriously think praying is useless? (don't have to answer)

Your sounding like you hate the word just because you cant understand it, which no human can. It's not for us to understand!

Logic won't save you, only faith will!

errybody have a good one,

Offroadn'98
This will be my last post on this thread thanks guys for listening to me!!!

 

Oh yeah Doctor's said it was a medical impossibility...my brain had tears all over it and i seperated, tore, or streched all axons in the center that carry messages from the left hemisphere to the right hemisphere of my brain. My family had me anointed and that is the first day that i moved any part of my body...still in a coma but started moving my right hand fingers...that could have been a coincidence i guess but i like to believe that God gave me the strengh to do it and give my family some hope! Cause NO one else did!

Sorry this is the last post,
Thanks guys,
offroadn'98

 

Before I proceed with the list:

Is the Bible a hallmark of your faith?

Do you believe that the Bible is the true word of your God?

Do you believe that only part of the Bible is the True word of God.

Do you believe that the Bible is a sacred/holy, book. Keep in mind that sacred and holy means clean, free of sin, free of error, immaculate, impeccable.

 

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

If you wrote that you "had to run to the store" I would have interpreted as you had to "rush, as in urgency, hurry, quickness, etc. etc. " to the store, weather is was flying, jumping walking running or driving wouldn't be the emphasis.