The major difference between Christianity and Muslim is that the Muslims believe God gave made his covnet with Ishmal Abraham's first born son. Christians believe that he gave it to Isac witch was born of Sara Abraham's 90yr wife.

thats were it all began because who ever "gods chosen people" are gets the holy land. Muslims even speak of Jesus in the Koran (book 19)

btw i hate the what do i have to loose attitude.

 

Yup, Muslims do (speak of Jesus that is)! On our trip to Morocco (Sunni Islam) we learned the three ***** on top of all the Mosques stood for the three "legitimate" forms of religion: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Sunni's also believe the relationship between you and God is a personal one, and no one (such as an Ayatollah) gets to get in between to dictate anything to you. Pretty sane approach, I think. No Ayatollahs in Sunni Islam, only Mullahs.

We were told a rather interesting story about their view of Christ's birth, that really had some elements of Divine mystery in it. Not so for Mohammad. I asked about him and was told he was just a poor man who became enlightened after marrying a rich widow. (I guess having money gives you time to think upon things).

Of course I have no idea if this last is a widespread belief among Sunnis. But, I'd asked some pretty "probing" questions, and these were the answers I got.

- Jack

 

Unfortunately in the Qur'an, Muslims are taught to "not make friends with Jews or Christians", and "if they are not to be converted, they are to be killed." Hence the 9/11/01 hi-jackers are portrayed as heroes in most Muslim nations.

The stories of Christians being murdered don't make the headlines in this country. Muslims even instigated the Crusades. Which is a little known fact.

I read just yesterday where 4 Christians that would not renounce their faith were beheaded in Somalia, which is Muslims' standard method of murder.

 

If I recall my history correctly, the Roman Empire ( not the Roman Republic of Cesar's time ) had something to do with taking the region in the 1st place, and claiming it as their own.

The Turks just got sick of someone taking rule of the place ~ 600 years later.

Is your view Native American Indians instigated Little Big Horn also ?
Wouldn't have anything to do with us taking their land, would it ?

 

Some of you are lucky God doesn't post here anymore.
Several years back he had a couple of threads up in Transmissions.

He had lots of views but, no replies.
I certainly wasn't going to tell God he had a bad sensor.

Anyway, he went over to FTE and somebody called him a noob.
Well, all hell broke loose and I heard a bunch of people got smited.

 

I don't see you quoting and justifying the horrors of the Old Testament Frank.
Oh that's right, you guys pick and choose what's convenient, I remember now.

 

Oh my, Habibi, are you suggesting that murder, mayhem and religious persecution went on in EVERY religion back to the beginnings of recorded history? Shucks, tell me it ain't so! ha, finally found a good spot to use the devil laughing!

 

There's a huge difference for killing someone that has different beliefs, and God ordering people to be killed that are practicing human sacrifice, among other things.

9/11/01 was innocent people killed for no reason.

 

The US signed treaties with the Indians. They should've been honored. If anyone is owed reparations, it's the tribes of the native American Indians.

 

Not all Muslims are out to chop the heads off of every American Christian. In fact many Muslims leave here in America! :o not all of them are radicals like the ones of 9/11. With that being said Christians haven't been the most peaceful group either. If you read the old testament its filled with stories of war, sex and scandals.

The fact were people are bias against any religion infuriates me. The reason the puritans came over here in the first place was religious persecution. just because they were Christians doesn't mean that they wanted everyone to believe like them.

 

The reason the Puritans came over was so they could be Bible-practicing Christians and flee the Church of England.

Islam is gaining ground in almost all regions of the world. Believe me, if they had the chance they would stamp out every Christian in the world while the moderate Muslims sit back and watch the blood flow.

I've read the OT through a few times and like I said above, God ordered civilizations that were shedding innocent blood to be taken captive by the Israelites. He also ordered a civilization exterminated because they were practicing wicked human sacrifice of their children. Every Christian I know practices and wants peace.

Like I said in another thread, people like Usama Bin Laden are practicing exactly what is in the Qu'ran. That is why he is a hero to millions and millions of Muslims across the globe. Truly sad.

 

Nice post.

 

You are correct on this analogy to your statement :
Like how you just drop this error, from your post, on the floor.

Would it be the Christians that owe reparations to the Muslims of the area for the Romans taking it in the 1st place, and later flying the "holy war" flag to try to reclaim what was not theirs in the first place ?

- See how the accounts of history can vary greatly from region to region ( and by extension religion to religion ) ?

As it has been told, the Roman Empire of the region switched to Christianity after they showed up in Istanbul.
I think it was Constantine himself that got on the holy land "band wagon" of region, and hitched his wagon to Christianity, as it was the largest of the religions, melding the 2 together.
This would be some time around 300 AD, which would coincide with the time the Christian bible was to have been written....

Almost sounds as if the Crusades are still alive and well, What happened to Religious freedom ?
Sounds like the Christians are a bit upset at the fact they are not going to be the primary religion in the world, and not have the primary center of power. Why else would they care if another religion is gaining ground ( and make the blood shed comments )
To make a overly generalized statement like this about another religion is just not the 'Christian thing to do'.

 

This is an interesting link: http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles...e_infidels.asp

Looks like Muslims have a version of "An eye for an eye...", just like Jews and Christians. (Not surprising, I suppose, since all three religions have common roots). Looks also like Islam understands the concept of "peaceful coexistence", just as we find in Biblical references.

Interesting, isn't it, that there can be seeming conflicts in the rules of conduct in the Quran? Almost like those same conflicts in the Bible. And, it's easy for a fundamentalist, or for a self-serving megalomaniac to adopt the parts that seem to further his (or her) cause, isn't it?

Edit: Here's another very good link: http://www.altmuslim.com/a/a/a/are_w..._the_infidels/ It certainly seems easy to infer all sorts of evil design when verses of the Quran (or the Bible) are taken out of context, doesn't it?

- Jack

 

Very well said Jack.
However, there are those among us (not mentioning any names Frank)
Who appreciate & enjoy the tolerance and understanding when it comes to their own religion, but fail to extend the same tolerance and understanding to other religions.

This is hypocrisy at its best.

It's this type of smug arrogance and condescending attitude that only serves to push people away.

"Respect my religion because I tell you it's true, but I'll bash the others"
I never understood this way of thinking.

This isn't to say that all Christians behave this way; there are plenty on these boards who do their thing, have respect for other people's beliefs and peacefully get along with everyone without attacking other belief systems, or purposely spreading lies or misinformation.

Those guys are cool and I'm fortunate to know them.