This was post #185.
Did it get missed,
nobody could answer,
didn't want to answer or
was I just being ignored?

 

Thanks Turbo! I call myself a believer but I do know there are contradictions and I believe they are man made. I also dont believe all the stories are to be literally taken either. Jews wrote it, are supposed to be the original Gods people and they dont take it literally. Why is this I wonder.

If you ask 5 Christians about the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) if they are 1 or three you will get many answers. If you read an old Bibles there are many contradictions that were changed over the years...for most people today it is very hard to just read an old Bible much less understand so in the past the Pastor, Preacher, Reverend HAD to translate for most.

Sometimes just questions seem to evoke anger and disrespect. Most of what I have read says Jesus was about helping save others not himself.

 

When Jesus was walking on this Earth over 2000+ years ago, his own people spat on him, threw stones at him, mocked him, whipped him, put a crown of thorns on his head, made him carry a cross up a muddy hill as they beat him senseless, and then nailed him to that cross, and thrust a sword through his side because he said he was the Son Of God. King of kings.

It looks like people haven't changed very much since then. If you saw Jesus come down from Heaven today and stand before you, and He told you He was Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God, would you believe Him? Would you question Him?

When Jesus died for our sins, He left us with a simple choice. A choice to believe, or not to believe that He died for our sins. Those who believe and confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, shall be saved. He has already shown you the way to Heaven. The path is straight and narrow. It's up to you whether you choose to take that path, or stray from it.

Choose wisely my friend.

 

If Jesus didn't foresee how many people would be harassed, tortured, and murdered in his name, to forcibly spread the religion of love, than he surely wasn't very smart, and he certainly wasn't a prophet or a God.

But if Jesus did foresee all the wars, all the murders, all the hate carried on in his name, to forcibly spread the religion of love, than he was the most evil man who ever lived. Maybe when you are praying to Jesus, he's really Satan. Look at all the evil done in his name.

 

That is pretty simplistic isn't it?? Evil done in his name? He didn't commit evil. Imperfect, sinful man did.

 

IMO
It would bevery important {to have a discusion on our beliefs }to find the beginings of our beliefs to their simplest form. Then
build forward from there to arrive at our different beliefs of today.

 

Where the hell is Shines?

I've got a question, and I've asked it in another of these religious threads, but nobody has ever taken a stab at answering it.

We all hear about how God made the big sacrifice for us humans, how he sacrificed his only begotten son, Jesus, to wash away mankinds sins...I get that, but I don't exactly get where the sacrifice is?

I saw the Passion, and I read in the Bible how he was crucified and put to death, so I understand how he took the beatings of all beatings, but is this the sacrifice? The death of Jesus?

He rose from the dead, and then joined his Father up in heaven right?
So yes, I see that Jesus took one hell of a beating which resulted in his death, but then he was sent to Heaven to sit at the side of God forever, but where or how exqactly did God provide the sacrifice?

Sacrifice is to give something up, to lose something forever.
What exactly did God lose forever? Nothing.

I remember one of the bible stories where one of the main charactors, Cain or Abel, was asked by God to kill his son, and as he wqas about to, God stopped him and explained how he was only testing his fath.

See, that to me is a sacrifice, the old man is going to kill his son, knowing he will never see him again, and having to live with the pain of never seeing his son for the rest of his life.

God didn't really sacrifice anything at all because he knew he would raise Jesus from the dead and teleport him to Heaven.

I agree, he didd have to watch his son get the beats, but other than thatm I don't see what else he gave up.

Someone please enlighten me.

 

THe first division of the Jewish and Arabic faith was when God told Abraham to sacrifice his son. The Jewish say it was Isaac . The Muslem's say it was Ishmael.

 

I posed the same question some time back.
As the main protagonist and the man who started the thread, I was hoping he would come back in and try an explain the frankly "whack job" answers provided by some of his fellow Bible bashers.

Where are you Shines? We still have some questions. Or, are you out?

 

"Evil done in his name" doesn't mean he did it, it means when others do bad things, but say they are doing it for Christianity. The Crusades, for example, were evil done in his name.


Like the ones that wrote the Bible?

 

Hey, we're not supposed to throw out traps, remember? No fair

 

I'm still relatively new to the GD forum, my bad.

But honestly, that was the first thing that went through my mind when I read that line.

 

English Adam

Was my post a "whack job" answer?
Just curious!

 

Nope.. the ones who wrote the Bible were God inspired. Man doing bad things in God's name is still.... bad. And not condoned by God. Lets try to keep mans sin out of God's doing. If you can't keep the two seperate, we won't get anywhere. It will be the same old hash out. I really don't apreciate "whack job" We are all on different points of our journey of life. Some are farther along than others.

 

That's right, they are warned in Sunday School to "watch out" for the 2 headed snake, and avoid all traps and all questions which don't fit with their answers, lol

Last time we went through this I kept asking them if God could create a rock bigger than he could lift...they got all pissy with me, haha