Originally Posted by S.M.Jones

Really thinking about custom tuning and it seems that everyone is happy with Troyer's tunes, but waiting 2+ months is along time. It sounds to me that everybody that has used VMP is just as satisfied and the wait is alot shorter. What is the big differance? I was all set to make the call to TP but started thinking if I can get the same thing in less time for less money then why not?

Originally Posted by openclasspro#11

simply put -yes

Originally Posted by ThumperMX113

Go with VMP.

Originally Posted by openclasspro#11

like you criticized me on a post about not talking about the subject on hand- he asked about troyer -not vmp- and yes he[mike troyer] is worth the wait-time to practice what you preach thump

Originally Posted by S.M.Jones

Really thinking about custom tuning and it seems that everyone is happy with Troyer's tunes, but waiting 2+ months is along time. It sounds to me that everybody that has used VMP is just as satisfied and the wait is alot shorter. What is the big differance? I was all set to make the call to TP but started thinking if I can get the same thing in less time for less money then why not?

Originally Posted by S.M.Jones

Really thinking about custom tuning and it seems that everyone is happy with Troyer's tunes, but waiting 2+ months is along time. It sounds to me that everybody that has used VMP is just as satisfied and the wait is alot shorter. What is the big differance? I was all set to make the call to TP but started thinking if I can get the same thing in less time for less money then why not?

Originally Posted by FX4&EXCURSION

Just a quick note and I'll elaborate more later as I'm exhausted. Anyway - Mike and the team are class acts and very gracious hosts. Whatever folks may say, say what you will, but I gained an exorbitant amount of understanding of exactly what Mike goes through in creating these custom tunes for our trucks first hand. The man pays so much attention to detail it will make your eyes pop. In point, we must have spent an hour splitting hairs surrounding the decision as to whether or not we apply a specific revision to my tune and what the possible effects may or may not be. Bottom line, you have to see him in action, to really understand and appreciate how much he cares about each and every tune and what gains can be realized across the board, i.e. driveability, reliability, efficiency, flat hp/torque curves, etc. Mike will simply not tune to highest peaks and call it a day. Big numbers always sound good, but as I say, Mike looks at the complete and holistic picture and I mean complete. That's why people he takes longer than what folks expect. Sure, give a call to a competitor who can have tunes in days, maybe hours, but I guarantee you they won't have the level of knowledge, quality, R&D, realiabilty, and specificity that Troyer places in each and every tune SPECIFIC for our trucks. No two trucks are created equal. One custom tune does not fit all. If anyone has the understanding of how often Ford changes strategies on these trucks and how much R & D, datalogging, and testing has to go into each revision, one would have a better appreciation of what Mike put's in these tunes and the amount of time fortunately or unfortunately it can take. Mike is a very intelligent individual and knowing what I know now and what was experienced today, I wouldn't let Ghandi touch my truck Be patient folks, it's worth the wait. If anyone is maybe within 10 to 12 hours of their facility, I highly implore you in making the trip, meet them and see Mike in action. Those folks are truly a family and very much make you feel that you're a part of it. For those who couldn't get in touch with him today, blame me, I had him chained the entire day

Anyway here are my numbers!

I have a Magnaflow 16616 and today added a 3.5 AF1 intake in addition to an XCAL 3 loaded with 3 custom on the dyno tunes.

87 Performance
93 Tow
93 Performance

With these three modifications and pulling on the 93 Tow Tune, my truck laid a best of 256.04 HP and 310 lb/ft torque. Not bad! I was stoked I pulled such great numbers. More importantly and I again emphasize, driveability and power was phenominally improved across the board. These numbers will improve as adaptive strategy completes additional cycles and will also realize improved numbers with the 93 Performance loaded.

Mike, thanks again for your tremendous grace and hospitality today and most importantly waking my truck up from a long dead nap. I'll be back soon for more mods!

Originally Posted by Grubrunner

However you sugarcoat it, 2-plus months wait on a tune is bordering on absurdity.

Nothing against Mike or his work/product.

I'm still yet to read a half decent or credible reason why it takes that long...

Just keeping it real.

Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4

Have you ever driven a truck with Troyer Tunes? If not, then you don't understand. There dozens if not hundreds of posts that explain exactly why Mike's tunes take longer than pretty much any one else. Even Mike has come on here and explained why it takes extra time.

Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4

PS: Have you seen any threads that say anything like "Mike Troyer Tunes Blew Up My Motor"? In fact, do you see anyone who is dissatisfied with anything mike does? (Besides the wait time?)