Originally Posted by thump

Originally Posted by thump

This was for my 2006 F150 5.4L with 3.73LS. I had 37x13.50s with 20x10 wheels. As far as performance mods only Xcal2, S&B CAI, and true dual Flowmaster Original 40s with 2.25" tubing which costed me a lot of torque as you can see. Green was just a "starter" tune and Blue was my final tune

Originally Posted by ThumperMX113

How about putting the information about my tune/truck back in there? Real mature, I like how you did that.

Originally Posted by 01TruBluGT

Just a bit of info here.

For example, Take truck A and truck B, both trucks same everything from the factory, both owners put the same mods on their truck. Both owners call Troyer and want the same type of tunes i.e. 87 Perf, 93 Tow, and 93 Perf. Both owners will recieve the EXACT SAME TUNE.

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Wrong and double wrong. I'm not entirely sure what basis or experience is exercised here relevant to the above quote.

Bottom line, as I said in another post, Truck A and Truck B are NEVER the same. All modifications, trim levels, etc. can be created equal, however, no two ECU's nor their inherent strategies, nor regional demographics are ever identical unless Truck A and Truck B are manufactured back to back on the same day on the same line at the same plant, and even then that's not a guarantee. Ford changes and revises ECU strategies hundreds of times a month and Troyer customizes his tunes around a customers particular strategy for THAT ECU/Manufacturing Metric, and hundreds of other parameters, i.e. regional gas types, performance criteria, usage metrics, current state of maintenance, etc. Why do you think Troyer requires a customer to fill out 4 pages of worksheets? I'd like to know of any other tuner who requires such information and that will flat out refuse tuning a vehicle until such an interview is conducted and accepted. "Uh Mr. Superchips, uh, send me a FlashPaqTuner, overnight, and I think my Truck is an 05 F150" "No problem!, our tuner and tunes will work for all 2004 up F150's, plus it will work in your Ranger & Expedition!" This may be perfectly acceptable for weekend Bob who wants a little extra pep in his step.

If you want a set of tunes that are exact across a particular product line with assumptions of design made to cover dozens of different vehicles, owner habits, driving scenarios etc. AND want it next day, give Super Chips a call or one of the many advertised express tuners in the yellow pages.

Originally Posted by ThumperMX113

So you took the time to edit out the information I posted? LOL.. Alright but thanks for fixing it.

Originally Posted by Wild Bill

I'm curious, what exactly is changed/adjusted in the tune with the information on these hundreds of parameters?

Originally Posted by Wild Bill

And are these particular mail order tunes so precise that if the driver changes one or two or however many of the hundreds of parameters (such as using gas from a different gas station, or using a different oil filter, or driving at a different elevation, or putting off the maintenance schedule until next week, or driving against the wind rather than with the wind, or whatever), the vehicle won't run right and potentially cause damage to the vehicle due to setting the tune for what sounds like a rather narrow and specific set of parameters?

Are the tunes that narrowly set? And if so, how are they confirmed to be correct, since mail order tunes are not as accurate as dyno tunes?

Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4

Unfortunately only the tuners can really answer that, and I don't think that any of them are going to be giving away their trade secrets.



Short answer is no, they are not that narrowly set. I can only talk about Troyer tunes, but Mike tunes your vehicle not only so it makes more power, but is also safe to drive. To get a better answer I'd suggest calling Mike at Troyer Performance, or Justin at VMP

Originally Posted by Wild Bill

Ok, so that brings me to the question: why are hundreds of specific parameters needed if they are not being utilized for a narrowly set tune?

Originally Posted by Wild Bill

using gas from a different gas station, or using a different oil filter, or driving at a different elevation, or putting off the maintenance schedule until next week, or driving against the wind rather than with the wind, or whatever), the vehicle won't run right and potentially cause damage to the vehicle

Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4

God you're paranoid. I didn't edit anything out, I just went back a page, did a right click on the image of your dyno chart, clicked on properties, got the direct link to your image, then pasted it into my post.

Originally Posted by ThumperMX113

Here you go. This was for my 2006 F150 5.4L with 3.73LS. I had 37x13.50s with 20x10 wheels. As far as performance mods only Xcal2, S&B CAI, and true dual Flowmaster Original 40s with 2.25" tubing which costed me a lot of torque as you can see. Green was just a "starter" tune and Blue was my final tune. I think my numbers were damn good, especially considering how much rotational mass I had and the temperature for both runs.

Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4

Hey Thump, do you think it's a good idea to have your RPMs up to +/-5800? Just wondering since it doesn't seem to get you any extra power.

Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4

To get those answers you'll have to talk to the tuners directly. I think the issue is arising from the definition "Narrow". The tunes are not so specific that



But they are specific enough that my tune won't run on the 2005 F-150 that parks next to me at work. I think a nice long talk with Mr. Troyer would be of the most benefit to you. (And anyone who's talked to Mike knows that the key word in the previous sentence is *long* )

- NCSU

Originally Posted by ThumperMX113

Are you trying to just derail this thread some more? If you really want to know the answer to that question, leave it for PMs. This thread is about Troyer taking forever to write tunes, not trying to understand how a dyno works.

Originally Posted by ThumperMX113

These forums are to voice our opinions about every which possible option out there.

Originally Posted by Wild Bill

From what I understand, if your ECU codes are different it certainly won't run on another truck. If they are the same you could probably load the tune, but it might not run right and/or it could cause damage.

Edit: Maybe someone else can answer why all the specific parameters are needed if the tunes aren't set specific for that. That is my question...