2004 - 2008 F-150
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

Uh oh, P0175, part 2. Who's next?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 05:27 AM
  #61  
mitch150's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,175
Likes: 0
From: here and there
Originally Posted by jrbhc8
So you just randomly did a check with your edge to see if you had any codes and this popped up? Or was there some symptoms to make you decide you better do some investigating?
No offense jr, but you have to go back and read the whole thread, that will keep Stealth from having to repeat himself . He had some symptoms.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 09:50 AM
  #62  
Stealth's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Truck of the Month
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 17,118
Likes: 7
From: Burleson, Texas
Originally Posted by jrbhc8
So you just randomly did a check with your edge to see if you had any codes and this popped up? Or was there some symptoms to make you decide you better do some investigating?
I had symptoms. Sputtering, shaking, rich smelling exhaust.

Thanks, Mitch.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 11:47 AM
  #63  
FX4life's Avatar
Technical Article Contributor
Truck of the Month
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,391
Likes: 0
From: High Plains of West Texas
Man stealth, Sorry to hear this happend bud. It sounds though, like your dealer has excellent service and will get you all fixed up! Maybe I should start going to your dealer for service/warranty work, heck whats a 6 hour drive for an oil change
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:07 PM
  #64  
Quintin's Avatar
Technical Article Contributor
20 Year Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 6,509
Likes: 6
From: Georgia on my mind...
Originally Posted by Stealth
Man, I'm going to suffer driving my wife's crappy Impala for a week or so. :o

Yes, I'd like to be able to put a supercharger on it, that would be nice.

I'd like to have a long block. A short block won't be good since valves may be damaged, and a visual inspection may miss problems. Plus I'll still have crapola 2005 injectors on there. I may have to discuss how much replacing all the remaining injectors costs.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong concerning short block vs. long block. I'm not an engine gearhead. I don't really know what all would get replaced.
Short block = Everything from the head gaskets on down. They'll reuse the timing chains, guides, maybe the tensioners if the gaskets don't tear upon removal (they almost always do, and if they do, the tensioners have to be replaced), the flexplate, accessories, and the oil pan and front cover. If they aren't damaged, your old cylinder heads will go on the new block.

Ford says that if the short block can be repaired, to fix it, like if one rod/piston got damaged due to an injector failure, replace only that rod and piston. If there's damage to the block, like a rod bent and struck the skirt of the block while the engine was running, to replace the short block. If something catastrophically failed (say a rod bent and shattered, sending metal throughout the engine), then it might get a long block.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:07 PM
  #65  
Stealth's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Truck of the Month
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 17,118
Likes: 7
From: Burleson, Texas
Originally Posted by FX4life
Man stealth, Sorry to hear this happend bud. It sounds though, like your dealer has excellent service and will get you all fixed up! Maybe I should start going to your dealer for service/warranty work, heck whats a 6 hour drive for an oil change
They're a small dealer. Very personable. Good people. The dealership facility (changed ownership 3 times) has been there for as long as I can remember, and we moved down here in 1977.

Helps to know people too. Member HDXLT is my service manager. He lives a few blocks from me.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:13 PM
  #66  
Bluejay's Avatar
Global Moderator &
Senior Member
20 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 26,080
Likes: 85
From: Burleson/Athens/Brownsboro, TX
Yeah, HDXLT is a good guy to know. Landon has been a service manager there for as long as I've had the truck and has always been very helpful. Recently, he went above and beyond helping me solve a problem when I installed a keypad door handle on my truck, that did not come with it.
 
__________________
Jim
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:14 PM
  #67  
Stealth's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Truck of the Month
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 17,118
Likes: 7
From: Burleson, Texas
Originally Posted by Quintin
Short block = Everything from the head gaskets on down. They'll reuse the timing chains, guides, maybe the tensioners if the gaskets don't tear upon removal (they almost always do, and if they do, the tensioners have to be replaced), the flexplate, accessories, and the oil pan and front cover. If they aren't damaged, your old cylinder heads will go on the new block.

Ford says that if the short block can be repaired, to fix it, like if one rod/piston got damaged due to an injector failure, replace only that rod and piston. If there's damage to the block, like a rod bent and struck the skirt of the block while the engine was running, to replace the short block. If something catastrophically failed (say a rod bent and shattered, sending metal throughout the engine), then it might get a long block.
Thanks for the in depth description.

I wonder how much damage could have been caused by driving it like it was, even though it was only for maybe 4 miles, with half that stop and go driving, mostly idling.

The only time it actually locked up was when they tried to start it at the dealer, then it wouldn't budge at all.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:21 PM
  #68  
Quintin's Avatar
Technical Article Contributor
20 Year Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 6,509
Likes: 6
From: Georgia on my mind...
Well, consider that at idle, the engine is turning what, 800-850ish RPM? About 12-14 revolutions/second. And when injectors fail, they usually stick wide open (like taking a bottle of water and turning it upside down). Rods can bend in the blink of an eye under those conditions.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:28 PM
  #69  
Bluejay's Avatar
Global Moderator &
Senior Member
20 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 26,080
Likes: 85
From: Burleson/Athens/Brownsboro, TX
Originally Posted by Quintin
Well, consider that at idle, the engine is turning what, 800-850ish RPM? About 12-14 revolutions/second. And when injectors fail, they usually stick wide open (like taking a bottle of water and turning it upside down). Rods can bend in the blink of an eye under those conditions.
Yep, everything is pushing against each other and the weakest link gives up.
 
__________________
Jim

Last edited by Bluejay; Apr 18, 2009 at 12:35 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:30 PM
  #70  
Stealth's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Truck of the Month
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 17,118
Likes: 7
From: Burleson, Texas
Originally Posted by Quintin
Well, consider that at idle, the engine is turning what, 800-850ish RPM? About 12-14 revolutions/second. And when injectors fail, they usually stick wide open (like taking a bottle of water and turning it upside down). Rods can bend in the blink of an eye under those conditions.
Good description. I was thinking along those lines as well.

So, I'm thinking short block and hoping long block.

Hard to choose the appropriate smiley.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:48 PM
  #71  
Huitt24's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,073
Likes: 0
From: Magnolia,Texas
Originally Posted by Stealth
Yeah, I should. I need to. Too bad I'm more than likely going to be on strike next week. Argh. :o
sounds like you work for lockheed martin.

sry about your engine, hope it goes well for you.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:50 PM
  #72  
Stealth's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Truck of the Month
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 17,118
Likes: 7
From: Burleson, Texas
Originally Posted by Huitt24
sounds like you work for lockheed martin.

sry about your engine, hope it goes well for you.
Yep, IAM 776 local. I'm hoping for the best on both fronts.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 03:20 PM
  #73  
last5oh_302's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,645
Likes: 0
Good to hear you're being taken care of Stealth.

Why is it some 05 owners get this injector letter and others don't? I haven't.

Did you get the letter Stealth? If so, I wonder how many people that haven't recieved the letter have had problems.

Periodically I check for codes, but luckily nothing so far.
 
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 03:29 PM
  #74  
FX4life's Avatar
Technical Article Contributor
Truck of the Month
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 4,391
Likes: 0
From: High Plains of West Texas
Originally Posted by last5oh_302
Good to hear you're being taken care of Stealth.

Why is it some 05 owners get this injector letter and others don't? I haven't.

Did you get the letter Stealth? If so, I wonder how many people that haven't recieved the letter have had problems.

Periodically I check for codes, but luckily nothing so far.


I think it only effects certain build dates, but I could be wrong. Stealth and I both have an early 05 build date of 11/04. Quintin I think explained it in this thread or my thread about what the issue is and who is affected.
 

Last edited by FX4life; Apr 18, 2009 at 04:05 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2009 | 03:37 PM
  #75  
Stealth's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Truck of the Month
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 17,118
Likes: 7
From: Burleson, Texas
Some people got them, some didn't. Bluejay didn't get one. We checked his vin and sure enough his truck is included.

Yeah, it's explained in one of these threads somewhere.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:45 PM.