Rafa26, Project Becoming A Reality .
Ive been reading this from the beginning and I must say Rafa you have exhibited an EXTREME amount of class in dealing with this. However, I find that even I am upset about your truck not being done and well obviously I have no reason to be. Everyone here empathizes with your problem but there must be a way to start playing hardball....if it were me id ask to take the truck for a test drive and then screw on the bill. Let them chase you down for 6 months and periodically return THEIR phonecalls. Give them a taste. Goodluck
Hay Rafa, Sorry to here no truck yet! Good luck with the outcome.
Oh and I happened to mention this over on the lightning site and this is what JDM had to say. Thought you might want to see it.
Phil
Quote:
Originally Posted by phil6608
I'm not saying anything bad about them but I think they are very busy!
They have had this guys truck for over 6 months.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sho...highlight=rafa
Its not a L so I'm shore they had a lot of things to work out.
Should be top notch and bad ***** when its done.
From Jim,
Every part on this truck was custom made and we didnt get half the parts from Whipple and other manufacturers untill just about 2-3 weeks ago, 1 was just yesterday!!! since then its just about finished now just really waiting on the dyno! Rafael is a great person to deal with its just that he wants his truck which i understand. But the parts he requested us to use didnt exist!!!! So we had to make them or have them made, which takes time no matter what shop its being done at.
Yes no doubt we are busy but putting together a built lightning will take only a portion of the time as it does to build a custom 5.4 3v alum motor whipple 600 HP Lincoln truck, with non existant parts. Ask leach how long it took his buddy to have his truck go from a blown up mild lightning into a 10 sec capable street truck....6 Days!!! That was motor, trans, rear, fuel system, suspension, fitting for bogarts (1 day itself!) full custom tune...cranked out 680 RWHP!!!!!! And he hasnt had an issue since almost a year later
JimIII
Oh and I happened to mention this over on the lightning site and this is what JDM had to say. Thought you might want to see it.
Phil
Quote:
Originally Posted by phil6608
I'm not saying anything bad about them but I think they are very busy!
They have had this guys truck for over 6 months.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sho...highlight=rafa
Its not a L so I'm shore they had a lot of things to work out.
Should be top notch and bad ***** when its done.
From Jim,
Every part on this truck was custom made and we didnt get half the parts from Whipple and other manufacturers untill just about 2-3 weeks ago, 1 was just yesterday!!! since then its just about finished now just really waiting on the dyno! Rafael is a great person to deal with its just that he wants his truck which i understand. But the parts he requested us to use didnt exist!!!! So we had to make them or have them made, which takes time no matter what shop its being done at.
Yes no doubt we are busy but putting together a built lightning will take only a portion of the time as it does to build a custom 5.4 3v alum motor whipple 600 HP Lincoln truck, with non existant parts. Ask leach how long it took his buddy to have his truck go from a blown up mild lightning into a 10 sec capable street truck....6 Days!!! That was motor, trans, rear, fuel system, suspension, fitting for bogarts (1 day itself!) full custom tune...cranked out 680 RWHP!!!!!! And he hasnt had an issue since almost a year later
JimIII
I have a friend that solves issues like this one with a baseball bat and 1 visit..
He's never been disappointed...but I guess that would eliminate a JDM custom built truck...
Good luck with the truck..
He's never been disappointed...but I guess that would eliminate a JDM custom built truck...
Good luck with the truck..
Originally Posted by rafa26
"If you start threatening them, or become the a$$hole that calls everyday and is rude to everybody you speak with"
05RoushMarkLT, my education does not allow me to act with JDM or anyone else like that.
I am the kind of guy that calls like once a week or less. Actually most of the time, i called them once every 15 days.
The result of that you can read on this post.
05RoushMarkLT, my education does not allow me to act with JDM or anyone else like that.
I am the kind of guy that calls like once a week or less. Actually most of the time, i called them once every 15 days.
The result of that you can read on this post.
Good luck with everything and make sure to hop out of the drivers seat for a few minutes to give us an update.
i'm certainly not going to defend them, but i have to fabricate everything for this setup myself. and it takes time and a little trial and error. i wish they fabricated stuff there that they needed and didn't have to order parts.
consider a CNC fabricated part. not only does the prgram have to be written, but a fixture has to be fabricated to hold the new design. that takes a lot of money and time. what i see as their major error, is their ability to estimate fabrication time. they should have had a respectable tiem limit amd stuck to it. if it takes 9 months, then set that as the timetable up front so you sould limit the requirements to a time you can handle. i doubt this was too much for them to handle, but they needed a time frame up front. i fully expect my project to take another year before i get to the 11.00 flat all-motor region. i set time tables for myself and try to stick to them. unless a part fails to perform as expected, then that sets me back. they need to do the same thing, so a customer can ask for it or go elsewhere to a shop that can do it sooner.
this 5.4 3v stuff is all new. nobody has done this. we are all trailblazers.
consider a CNC fabricated part. not only does the prgram have to be written, but a fixture has to be fabricated to hold the new design. that takes a lot of money and time. what i see as their major error, is their ability to estimate fabrication time. they should have had a respectable tiem limit amd stuck to it. if it takes 9 months, then set that as the timetable up front so you sould limit the requirements to a time you can handle. i doubt this was too much for them to handle, but they needed a time frame up front. i fully expect my project to take another year before i get to the 11.00 flat all-motor region. i set time tables for myself and try to stick to them. unless a part fails to perform as expected, then that sets me back. they need to do the same thing, so a customer can ask for it or go elsewhere to a shop that can do it sooner.
this 5.4 3v stuff is all new. nobody has done this. we are all trailblazers.
Originally Posted by phil6608
Hay Rafa, Sorry to here no truck yet! Good luck with the outcome.
Oh and I happened to mention this over on the lightning site and this is what JDM had to say. Thought you might want to see it.
Phil
Quote:
Originally Posted by phil6608
I'm not saying anything bad about them but I think they are very busy!
They have had this guys truck for over 6 months.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sho...highlight=rafa
Its not a L so I'm shore they had a lot of things to work out.
Should be top notch and bad ***** when its done.
From Jim,
Every part on this truck was custom made and we didnt get half the parts from Whipple and other manufacturers untill just about 2-3 weeks ago, 1 was just yesterday!!! since then its just about finished now just really waiting on the dyno! Rafael is a great person to deal with its just that he wants his truck which i understand. But the parts he requested us to use didnt exist!!!! So we had to make them or have them made, which takes time no matter what shop its being done at.
Yes no doubt we are busy but putting together a built lightning will take only a portion of the time as it does to build a custom 5.4 3v alum motor whipple 600 HP Lincoln truck, with non existant parts. Ask leach how long it took his buddy to have his truck go from a blown up mild lightning into a 10 sec capable street truck....6 Days!!! That was motor, trans, rear, fuel system, suspension, fitting for bogarts (1 day itself!) full custom tune...cranked out 680 RWHP!!!!!! And he hasnt had an issue since almost a year later
JimIII
Oh and I happened to mention this over on the lightning site and this is what JDM had to say. Thought you might want to see it.
Phil
Quote:
Originally Posted by phil6608
I'm not saying anything bad about them but I think they are very busy!
They have had this guys truck for over 6 months.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sho...highlight=rafa
Its not a L so I'm shore they had a lot of things to work out.
Should be top notch and bad ***** when its done.
From Jim,
Every part on this truck was custom made and we didnt get half the parts from Whipple and other manufacturers untill just about 2-3 weeks ago, 1 was just yesterday!!! since then its just about finished now just really waiting on the dyno! Rafael is a great person to deal with its just that he wants his truck which i understand. But the parts he requested us to use didnt exist!!!! So we had to make them or have them made, which takes time no matter what shop its being done at.
Yes no doubt we are busy but putting together a built lightning will take only a portion of the time as it does to build a custom 5.4 3v alum motor whipple 600 HP Lincoln truck, with non existant parts. Ask leach how long it took his buddy to have his truck go from a blown up mild lightning into a 10 sec capable street truck....6 Days!!! That was motor, trans, rear, fuel system, suspension, fitting for bogarts (1 day itself!) full custom tune...cranked out 680 RWHP!!!!!! And he hasnt had an issue since almost a year later
JimIII
I think JDM took your post out to cover their A$#$%.
Last edited by Virilha; Feb 23, 2007 at 10:18 AM.
Originally Posted by Virilha
Phil do you have a link to that JDM excuse ?
I think JDM took your post out to cover their A$#$%.
I think JDM took your post out to cover their A$#$%.
My post and his post have been removed. How bout that????
http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/showthre...&highlight=jdm
Phil
Originally Posted by phil6608
Yes! You are Right!
My post and his post have been removed. How bout that????
http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/showthre...&highlight=jdm
Phil
My post and his post have been removed. How bout that????
http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/showthre...&highlight=jdm
Phil

How JDM can be doing that with Rafa ??
I feel very sorry for him, next week will be march and no truck yet !!! They are burning their reputation so bad doing that with a customer !!
Originally Posted by Virilha
WTF man !
How JDM can be doing that with Rafa ??
I feel very sorry for him, next week will be march and no truck yet !!! They are burning their reputation so bad doing that with a customer !!
How JDM can be doing that with Rafa ??
I feel very sorry for him, next week will be march and no truck yet !!! They are burning their reputation so bad doing that with a customer !!
JLP could be a lot better for Rafa than JDM. I never hear any complains about their honesty.
JohnnyLightningPerformance
JohnnyLightningPerformance
Rafa, You are a much more patient person than I am. Here's a brew
and really hope it is all worth it in the end and done correctly. Which after this much time it should be considered a crime if not done perfectly.
and really hope it is all worth it in the end and done correctly. Which after this much time it should be considered a crime if not done perfectly.


