Oh my, a personal attack. Here I haven't posted in days, and I am accused of using this site as a gossip column.

Rj, you don't know me, so you have no right to attack me. When I started this thread it was for one simple reason...... to state a simple statistic about trucks. I bashed noone. Sometimes, when we have problems, we have a tendency to think we are the only ones out there...... and that noone else (with other brands) are experiencing the same thing. You state that I started an informative thread, then accuse me of gossip and talking about my personal life. Maybe it's just me, but..... huh? Guess I am confused because I am a woman, and a blonde. Hmmmm, or maybe I am a toothless redneck (in NV?)....... geez, here I go getting confused again. Anyway, I did notice that you attacked the only two women posting on this thread. I guess you are right, women have no right posting about trucks....... we should go back to the kitchen and bake some cookies, watch some talk shoes or soaps, and eat bon bons, right? Please, if you can't make a mature, informative contribution, (as you say) go away. Personal attacks are not needed.

Oh, one more thing, if you want to make a personal attack, please read the entire thread so you at least get it right.

Cowlady has contributed to this thread greatly, only to be personally attacked. Is it not her right to stand up for herself? Harley was also defending her (and cheering her on) If you don't like to read it, don't...... that is your right. If you don't like seeing women posting on a truck site, then again I will quote you...... Get a life!

If you wish to ask me a question about auto repair, please feel free to do so...... and about any brand. If you want to attack me, please..... at least find a REAL reason to do so, that way you won't make yourself look so immature.

Of course, this is just my opinion, I may be wrong (because I am a woman of course).



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Gloria
94 Lightning, daily driver
93 EB Explorer, 1000 RTI

 

Cute, real cute.

Ya know, Rj, you haven't contributed one *single* thing to this site other than ticking people off. In your 13 posts so far in 5 separate engine threads, all you have done is whine and complain that 1.) you have a rough idle, 2.) Ford won't fix it, 3.) you call them several times a week, 4.) they still won't fix it and 5.) you hate your truck and you're going to buy a chevy. How many times do you need to repeat the same thing again and again and complain? Cowlady, 94LightningGal and even I, have contributed much to the site as far as knowledge, hints and tips, and photos.

Just sell the damn thing, buy the chevy and move on with your life.


[This message has been edited by HarleyGuy (edited 01-12-2001).]

 

Well, y'all can call me stupid. I just wasted 20 minutes reading all the posts in this topic.

Webmaster, how do you resist the temptation to just delete this stuff?

 

Damn, I had to go for beer twice(2 times) and finished the popcorn halfway through as well(too).
I just love when my disappointment(didn't get what was expected) in humans (people)is reinforced (confirmed-no, nevermind) like this thread has done. I always knew there were heartless(non-caring) dolts(idiots) out there.
Now for my story.
I didn't like the way my dealer handled my (97)Truck when ever I bought it in for repairs. and yes, there were 8 repairs in just 13 months. I complained properly to ford, going over the dealers head. All I wanted was a extended warrenty because it was at 35k already. The dealer took back the Truck, waived the milage (10k over) gave me my deposit back, and let me out of my lease. All I had to do was get another one from them. I hated that dealer, and made them work for it. The Truck I wanted was 150 miles away, but they got it for me.
I have had a very good experience with the 98.
If your problem hasn't been remedied, I can only think either you didn't complain properly or you didn't get the attention of the right people, no matter what brand of Truck it is!
I do understand the frustration that comes when you have a problem that should be remedied with out a lot of effort on your part. After all, you are already experiencing the problem, why should you also have to have the additonal task of convincing them to take care of it?
I am happy with my Truck, and have always been pleased with the level of performance with all my Ford Trucks.
So who can I attack?
stupid shovies?
dumb dodgers?
FixOrRepairDailies?
I know, how about most dealers, regardless of brand they are selling?
Yeah, that's it, that, and people that just like to bitch.
If your truck sucks and you know it clap your han... wait that's a song.
Hey, do you know how to complain without whining? Try it sometime.
How much of this post did you read?
All of it, or did you just read to the part you found offensive and then stop?
Well, guess what? You have just discovered lesson #1 on how to properly complain!
Now go post where someone cares!

Oh and for the record 'low class' has nothing to do with income (money).

 

Well said (good answer) ATST! When a person has a problem & INTELLIGENTLY seeks a resolution (solution) they are far more successful than someone who whines, moans, complains (temper tentrum) & in general just attacks others. Glad you solved your problems so satisfactorily(happily)! LOL!

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Love my truck & PROUD of it! If you can't beat 'em, you're NOT driving a FORD!
Shovies PROVE that FORD'S are #1!!
'97 Black F150 XLT ORP 4X4
4.6L/auto/3.55 LS/power EVERYTHING,
nerf bars, 17" wheels, fog lights, trailer hitch w/electrical connector, front tow hooks, bed rail caps,
6 CD changer, lumbar support & 3 cow license plates - so far!

[This message has been edited by Cowlady (edited 01-12-2001).]

 

>>Andthensometoo<< In a nice way, I think you have too much time on your hands, 1766 posts, wow! I think the point everyone is trying to make is that Ford has a high number of consistant problems. Yes other manufacturers have problems too. However, Ford for some reason isn't willing to VOLUNTARILY solve the issues. It shouldn't take complaining to get somewhere when you have a problem, whether it's a car or a pair of shoes. I have a '99 Expy that is having the engine replaced under warranty with only 21,000 miles, rare, I think not. A consistant problem, I think so. Ford should issue a bulletin that requires certain issues to be inspected. Costly, maybe, but so is losing customers!

 

Hey, my posts took over a year to complete, and if I lag at all they ask where I am!https://www.f150online.com/f150board/Forum41/HTML/001918.html
btw, I also research a lot of Truck stuff in my 'other spare time'
seeing as how you have some time here ya go.
http://www.handynerds.com/Personal/impala/index.htm

***he fixed the link***




[This message has been edited by Andthensometoo (edited 01-12-2001).]

 

>>andthensometoo<< concentrate on content, not dramatization. sorry, your link to execpc wasn't any good, but my ears (or I guess eyes) are open!

 

She's not being dramatic Cold - we DO ask when she's not around, both here & the other site that we both belong to. ATST doesn't need me to back her up but I will - she's a friend AND she knows her stuff!


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Love my truck & PROUD of it! If you can't beat 'em, you're NOT driving a FORD!
Shovies PROVE that FORD'S are #1!!
'97 Black F150 XLT ORP 4X4
4.6L/auto/3.55 LS/power EVERYTHING,
nerf bars, 17" wheels, fog lights, trailer hitch w/electrical connector, front tow hooks, bed rail caps,
6 CD changer, lumbar support & 3 cow license plates - so far!

 

All I have to say about the situation is, maybe the dealer should have had more respect for his customer, but that doesn't make all Ford dealers bad or FoMoCo. It sure is funny that some people notice all the bad things, when you are on top. I know my step-father bought a Tahoe that spent more than 4/5 of the year in the shop, he had to sue the dealer to admit it was a lemon. But, in the lawsuit, they would only accept it as a lemon if he bought another vehicle from them. So, in good faith, he bought a Z71 ext. cab fully loaded with a Vortech 350. That truck was so slow and the biggest piece I have ever seen. He started having trouble with it, pulled 1, I state that again 1 trailer with it and it started leaking oil. It spent more than 2/3 of a year in the shop. He finally got smart and bought a F250 crew cab Powerstroke, no problems at all. Of course, that was until he totalled it.

 

You are right! As a rule I copy and paste all urls from the address window when I post them so I know they are good. This one has been changed and since I posted it.
From what I remember:
A guy got a 'bad' impala. It was always in the shop. After a lot of hassel was offered a 2001 Imp, (he paid $5000 on top of the trade in the deal) which had trouble from the start. Meanwhile the papers weren't even finalized on the return of the 2000 Imp. (for awhile he had both dogs- I mean cars in his name)
He had made payments on a car for almost a year that he never drove more than 500 mi trouble free. I most cases, less.
It was a very long story. and one of the dirtiest dealer stories I have ever heard!
He finally settled and took that page down, but put up a page describing his new purchase.
A 94 Explorer, which he is appearently happy with.
Now I see he has moved that page, and gave us a bad link instead. Maybe he will fix his link.
I never did link to it on any of my pages because he said he would take the page down when it was settled, so I knew the original one wouldn't be up forever.

You can see he intended to link to it anyway by viewing this page.
http://www.handynerds.com/Personal/

You want dramatization? I'll give you dramatization!
http://www.andthensometoo.com/complaint-dept/penske/

Non-Truck ones

http://www.andthensometoo.com/cgi-bi...rum=19&topic=2

http://www.andthensometoo.com/cgi-bi...rum=19&topic=1

http://www.andthensometoo.com/cgi-bi...rum=19&topic=5

http://www.andthensometoo.com/cgi-bi...rum=25&topic=1



[This message has been edited by Andthensometoo (edited 01-12-2001).]

 

>>cowlady<< I'm glad your "friend" knows her stuff, she may consider a position with Ford Motor Co. to help resolve some of these problems. I agree with you and ATST on the subject that you should not whine to get results, however, my point is that if you have a problem with your vehicle or anything for that matter, that is known to be persistent, the situation should not be allowed to get to the point where the customer needs to "complain". Persistent problems, especially major(ie engines) need to be addressed before people get stranded or worse. Perfect example, that we are all sick of hearing about, is the Firestone problem. If the issue would have been handled legitimately, less people would have died. On the flip side, if Ford would handle some of these common problems correctly before people had to complain, less people would be inconvenienced, disappointed, stranded, upset, ...........

 

Aw shucks, you posted before I added my dramatrizations!
anyway, I see you agree with my statement
and if you have some time to kill and read my links, you will see that 'service' in general is lacking eveywhere!

 

I agree wholeheartedly with you - problems are not being handled correctly or fairly! My ONLY objection was how I was trashed as well as anyone who backed me up.
If you read my posts, I continually asked for a stop to name calling. I also gave some POSSIBLE suggestions I hadn't heard before such as getting a news station's Investigative Reporter involved or writing a Letter to the Editor of their local paper, or using a problem solving website - 3 options that could/would have a significant impact on any unscrupulous dealers sales figures. These suggestions weren't even addressed BUT I was ripped apart. At this point I truly do hope that the affected trucks are not fixed but bought back so these people can go buy a different truck from a different manufacturer. Will they come back then & trash me if/when the OTHER brand truck has problems? Probably. But quite frankly I don't care. I'm thicker skinned than they realize. I do get aggravated but I don't lose sleep over it. Besides, there are far more INTELLIGENT people here such as yourself who realize I am not the cause of their problem & that yes, there is a problem. I don't know how to solve it but I am interested in any REASONABLE exchange someone may want to discuss.
Thanks for listening. Be careful though - to agree with me will put you in the line of fire too. I don't want to drag anyone else into this ridiculous mess.

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Love my truck & PROUD of it! If you can't beat 'em, you're NOT driving a FORD!
Shovies PROVE that FORD'S are #1!!
'97 Black F150 XLT ORP 4X4
4.6L/auto/3.55 LS/power EVERYTHING,
nerf bars, 17" wheels, fog lights, trailer hitch w/electrical connector, front tow hooks, bed rail caps,
6 CD changer, lumbar support & 3 cow license plates - so far!

 

Well Cold Expy, I think you should look at the following links, it sure doesn't look like Ford had any problem handling Explorer cases to me.

http://just-auto.com/news_detail.asp?art=21318&c=1
http://www.bonforums.com/recall_explorer.htm

Not to mention this site, I think it is the most important one to visit.

http://www.auto.com/autonews/levin27_20001027.htm