EasterIsland: your right like i stated we *MUST* have all the required Safety Equipment. or we won't be allowed to run. If we go faster than what were teched in for we will be disqualifed even during the eliminations. so be sure you and your truck is Legal!
Don C: If you think you have what it takes come and get it! Seriously i will be more than happy to hand over the check to you (IF) you can get the Job done!
Yes the FFW is the same weekend. but i think i would rather have a shot @$ 2,200.00 verse a few hundred! wouldn't you? I really hope (everyone) shows up for this Awesome Showdown! JL

 

Man I am going to have to spend some serious $$$ to hang with you all!!!

 

Hey ,

Sounds great....I'll be there... That gives me plenty of time to keep adding Mod's every month, so maybe I can hang close to you big guys..


Real Money...

 

Johnny,
would 4V heads be a power adder? Racing fuel?

 

The place to be will be the Modular Shootout. There will even be a grudge match between the top names in LIGHTNING racing. The money is at the Shootout, the racers will be at the shootout, ESPN2 will be at the shootout, the shootout will also be doing a full length DVD/VHS video including the Lightning classes. We will have interviews and full features on any Lightning racers.

 

The answer is no. 2 power adders means running blower& NOS together, Turbo & NOS together, or twin turbo applications. None of the above mentioned are allowed.

NOS trucks versus Turbo trucks are allowed, Blower trucks versus NOS trucks are allowed, blower versus turbo trucks are allowed as well. Aftermarket blowers and or bigger blowers are acceptable. No size limit to a single turbo, no limit to how much nitrous you run. You may run any type of gasoline, no nitro or alky. Stand alones are allowed, any cylinder head and or intake is allowed. It must be fuel injected and have the factory style shortblock (other words no big blocks)

 

Thor01: Dave King said it right. you can run 4v heads if you want..Make sure everyone tries to get as many lightnings @ the event. No Doubt this is going to be a serious Lightning Event! I'm sure there will be all kinds of surprises JL

 

JL,

A heads up race, the way I am to understand it, is a race with no rules to restrict what you can run, and the winner is determained by he who crosses the finish line first.

What is the differance between some one running 15Lbs of boost or more, against a nitrous fed truck running stock boost? You create this heads-up catagory to see who is the baddest. How can some one prove they are the baddest of the bad, if they cant run?! Some people would rather run nitrous than high boost, and set their truck up accordingly.

I think you should make it fair to all Lightning owners, no matter how they make thier power, to run in this class.

 

Lightning boy: All heads up classes have rules. You want to design a heads up class with many different things in mind. First off who wants to have a class with 2-3 cars in it? If we write the rules in a way to make it unlimited, how many cars do you think will run it? People know that its going to be done to 3 or 4 trucks tops. Whats the point? The person with the most money would win hands down. At least keeping it honest like we are gives more opportunity for the average guy.

In every heads up class you have rules. You just can't have no rules. Pro 5.0, Outlaw, Factory stock, EXTREME, Renegade, etc all have rules.

The idea for this class is to give as many racers a realistic change to be competetive as possible.
Limiting it to one power adder does that. Not many people have the guts to run 2 power adders. Risk for breakage is high. Keeping it to one power adder levels the playing field. It brings other things like suspension tuning, engine management, and driver skill and reaction time into the equation.

 

Since all Gen 2 Lightnings come with a supercharger and I dont know any one who has removed it that limits the field a little.

If all Gen2's have the only power adder by default shoudnt a BIG pulley be a power adder ? I mean you cant run a big block .....

Just wondering

If the winner is the Quickest .... There are only a couple Gen2 L's in the countythat I know of that are running Low 11's without Nos so the field of true contenders is likely to be pretty small. That plus the .400 tree trims it even further...

Just my $0.02

Doug

 

Realistically how many are even going to be in the competition? The winner will be in the 10sec/11 sec range. Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I don't think many are going to have roll cages by June or even at all. I mean how many have them right now? What I am trying to say is I think any GenII should be allowed to compete. Big block, twin blowers, twin turbos, nitrous and blower. I think this would contribute a lot to the Lightning community because it would develop new and better ways of going quicker and faster. This is just my $.02.

Even if you don't agree with me I still think what JL is doing is great. It is nice to see someone give back to the Lightning community. Thanks JL.

 

Lightning Boy- I'm with you. It's kind of hard to call it a heads up race when you can only run one power adder. I could see it if the L came from the factory with no power adder then you could chose to run nitrous or a supercharger. This is the main reason I like WFC. Run want you brung and the fastest man wins. Leave the politics at home!

It can also be stated that with the times a lot of these L's are going to be running this spring alot of them are going to be eliminated just becasue they don't have a cage!

 

As a 3 year sponsor, and the sponsor of the Lightning bracket class at this event, I don't want to put any negative comments towards the event, but Doug has a very valid point.

I have been discussing the rules with Dave off line, about the nitrous thing. Since I run nitrous (as do MANY other trucks), of course I have a concern for now not being able to run in this class.

That rule is supposed to make the class fair? Like Doug said, there are only 2 or 3 trucks running close to low 11s off nitrous. So the same idea applies; why would anyone else want to enter and have to race agianst THOSE trucks?

Using nitrous is no different than adding gobs of boost. With nitrous you add extra oxygen and fuel, and with boost it's the same thing. Using nitrous is not different than adding high psi blower pulleys.

If you want to make this class TRUELY fair, then it's needs to have rules that make it fair:

Limit extra boost to no more than +6 psi over stock (6 lb lower, or 4lb lower and 2 lb upper)

Set minimum weight to 4800lbs.

After each pass, trucks would pull off to the scales on the return road to be weighed and have thier pulleys measured.

The fast non-nitrous trucks are fast because they are extrememly light and runs huge amounts of boost. Most of the guys running nitrous, do so because they have not chosen to go that way. Make them take the nitrous off, and it doesn't make the playing field fair, it shifts the advantage back to the other trucks.

The only way to make this class "fair" is to add the two rules above. Of course that would slow the fast non-nitrous trucks down to where the nitrous trucks would run without thier nitrous. It wouldn't be fun to watch, but hey, at least it would be fair.

Or, the class can just be a "run what ya brung" class, put some excitement into it, and let the people see what they want- the fastest Lightnings in the counrty duking it out.

And for the guys who don't think they can be competitive in the heads up class, don't forget that there is an Open Comp Bracket Lightning class as well...

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...threadid=63575

 

I think with the Gen II, power adders are a little different than most other classes since they all come with one power adder from the factory. This makes it impractical to use this as a guideline for limitations.

As of now there are only 2 tenths separating the fastest nitrous truck (Sal) from the fastest non-nitrous truck (JDM). So with the right tuning they can be made to run competively either way.

Don't forget that it will be a pro tree which will also play a major part, and bring driver skill into it much more than just how fast the truck is.

Just MHO

 

Sal,
My thoughts exactly!I was wondering when someone was going to step up to the plate and explain this in detail!I am a non nitrous person and always will be but if they run this class the way they have it setup there will be alot more onlookers than participaters.I myself would go just to meet up with everyone but realisticly know i wouldn't have a chance to win because of the way i want my truck setup.

JL should be applauded for putting up his money and organizing this event but only a very select few will even have a remote chance at winning!

Matt