i want to know how fast my truck can be @ best with a built motor
and som bolt-ons.
NOT if i had a tube frame and twin turbos>>>> (Just no realistic at all!!) i want to drive my truck anywhere anytime!!

**Besides if you have a FULL body truck to try and get into the 9’s or 10's you have to bush the envelope, and make race products to do that. (further pushing the industry and making it possible for everyone who owns one of these trucks to do the same (isn’t that what its all about?) making customers want to buy YOUR COMPANY "go fast lightning parts"

not to cut @ johnny cuz i like him and his work, but.....i cant buya
tube frame kit, bolt it on and run 9's AND still take my truck on vacation..

sclightning has it 100% correct... (to me anyway)


peace

dustin

 

No, in this case I think you are missing the point.
The initial challenge as posted wasn't to see who could make the most reliable horsepower... you read that into it.

I quote from the initial post/challenge: "determine how well the truck is built and tuned." As you know, there's more to how a vehicle is built and tuned rather than just the engine.

If you want to know which engine has the greatest potential, take it to the dyno. If you want to look at the truck as a whole and take into consideration the whole enchilada - engine, driveline, suspension... then it should be run what you brung.

 

I say we have the race in the spring. JL, The main reason for you is the $$$$$$. Customers second.

 

Doug I can't believe it but I agree with you. I think if you want to see these trucks go to the next level in performance then much of the factory truck stuff has to be changed to race stuff. Our rear suspension, for example, was designed to handle a payload of bricks in the bed and to tow your boat to the lake, not stick 1400hp to the ground with 5000rpm transbrake launhes. If you put a 1400hp motor in a stock truck with factory leaf spring suspension, what have you proven? That you can spin the tires down the whole length of the track! We're not having a burnout contest here. Eventually, no matter what vehicle you build, you come to the point were you trade stock street functionality for *****-out race performance. I think thats were JL is going. In my opinion, if someone keeps the stock steel body, I don't care whats underneath. Imagine seeing an L scream down the track at 180mph!

Plus, from a safety standpoint (currently there are no legal 10 second trucks), its important to change out many of the stock components. Guys are gonna need aftermarket rearends with c-clip eliminators and SFI axles, full cages etc. The lighter truck will be safer too. force= mass X acceleration, the 5klb truck will hit the wall with a much greater force than the 3900lb race truck.

PS, I think a Lightning funny car would be wicked!

 

I think that having the top 5 customer vehicles from each tuner racing against each other would serve the purpose of proving how well that tuner builds and tunes their customer's trucks.

Also, if you took the average of all the vehicles for the team to decide the winner... you could better compensate for the differences. For example, if a tuner runs a blistering time and his top 5 trucks aren't as fast, then it would slow down his total team average.

That way everyone is running what they brung at the full potential.

 

How about the ones racing make the decisions of where and when and how much we are going to weight, and the rest of the folks show up and watch. There are so many opinions of what we should do, but none of you are racing..........so why start all this mess.................

 

What he said. ^

 

Im with you on that Mike... I do think though, Lfest would be a great venue for such an event.

 

The thing is, I want to watch a *****-out, run what ya brung grudge match. Not a bunch of BS and excuses. It's already starting now...just think what will happen if this race is actually scheduled. I guarantee you at least one of the vendors will "not be able to make it" or pull out because he thinks the "rules are unfair."

And after the event, there will be months of drama and more excuses on here.

I say get it all squared away now so we won't have controversy after the timeslips come in.

 

We see which truck is the heaviest, and add ballast to the other two to match it. Then we have one constant, to level the group. With all three trucks at equal wieght

If you go this way, I think the heaviest L must be weighed showing the weight over the front wheels and the weight over the rear wheels not just the over-all weight and then add the weight to the same 'ends' of the lighter Ls but then do you get to add more weight to the right-rear vs. the center or the left-rear..................................adinfinitum. .................

Not flaming anyone but I do think the weight addition has to be thought out.





FWIW, IMO, this 'event' will never happen ...............hope I'm wrong.

Dan

 

This started out as who could make the most reliable, effiecient horsepower, if we could keep the event this way it would be exciting, for those out there choosing an engine combo and tuning combo. Last saturday at Cecil the 2 fastest trucks there one a daily driver (17-18mpg and weighs more) the other an all out Race truck which hasnt seen the road in at least 2 years. If you do the math power to weight ratio Both trucks basically come out equal, actually Chikin's truck had about 8 more ponies. Now 1 has a stock cubic inche, less aggressive cams, and a 75 shot of nitrous. Versus JL's 20 more cubic inhces, more aggressive cams, and a 175 shot of nitrous and a much lighter truck. Everybody out there talks about our 10 second trucks one of the reasons why is because they are so versatile, Jamie (FOMOCOFan) Has 800 1/4 mile passes on his truck and 90% of them are very low 11's or high 10's. If the track wasnt hooking he could dial back to high 11's in a matter of 10 minutes. Then you have Vinnie who has won more Car show events with his Lightning than anyone else I know, drives it back and forth to work, goes to the track run anywhere from low 12's to mid 10's all within 15 minutes. Now all of our 10 sec customers are like this, Dons Bolt who puts and extreme amount of miles on his truck a year. Luke Brunelle drives his truck back and forth around Canada and the United States, Mike Anderson another guy gettin 18 MPG going from Houston to Waco on the weekends which is 200 miles each way. Every one of them within 15 minutes can go from 12's to mid 10's still have all the comforts of their Lightning and the passion for the main reason why they bought their truck. Ive never asked anyone of my customers or told them they had to gut their trucks or run bigger cubic inche motors to acheive their goals but I will race whatever event the majority picks I just dont want to wait untill L fest.


Jim@JDM

 

This event as far as i'm concerned is a MAJOR! Event! This event needs to have the proper magazine covereage/TV Coverage ect.. this takes time to get this setup on a *professional* Level! I don't want this thing to be 1/2 butt! where only a *few* select can make it,,,people need to prepare, schedual for vacation time ect.. I want EVERYBODY to be able to plan and attend! Therefore what better Timing,Place than TruckFest!...after all this is what truck fest is all about! isn't it?..Why just have this just for the Top 3? I say we let anybody(gen2) get involved! 3 passes, average them, and lets see what happens! We Top 3 just might get a Big surprise! We can have a seperate race just for us 3 if thats what you want jim...I'll put up $$ to have some AWSOME awards, trophys, ect...And what better place,time to have a re-match than CECIL in Nov. @ SSOTN?.......JL

 

I as well would like to see it sooner than later
Maybe one later at Lfest, but we need to do this now and worry about the later...........Later

 

No, I think that you are missing the point.



These guys are tuners. They don't sell weight deletion devices, they sell HP. Driveline, OK. Suspension, OK. But if a 4,000 lb truck beats a 5,000 lb truck, what has that told us about the engine -- the parts that people are actually buying?

This is clearly a "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" challenge.

 

Why don't you come to the event and show us your not scared....stop running your mouth and run your truck...if you even really have one

The son thing??? Don't even go there....your in no way superior to me

I'll be at the event and I will DRIVE there from Alabama AGAIN.
See you wanna say to the rest of the world that JL can run a 9 and this that and the other guy can't....Well, I can say that JL can't drive his truck on vactions and stop at the track and run a 9....But he can't say that about me...