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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyLightning
Sal I asked the ? where &when have you or anybody else Tested the *NEW* KB against the works?
You say that you just give (Facts) where is the test data?
The data is out there. I have been posting all the test data and power numbers for the Works 140 kits that are on several test trucks. I have been more than open about everything that has transpired so far with the Works 140 kits. The Works 140 has already proven to make more boost and more power than the new KB with the same pulley sizes. Do some searching and you'll find it.

I have never claimed to test the *NEW* KB against the works to give ANY Facts about Data
That's exactly my point. You haven't tested the KB against the Works 140, so where is YOUR proof to back up the statements about how the KB is so much better and "this *NEW* KB will over shadow The 140 for sure"?
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Don's Bolt
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How about getting you F**kin facts straight bud.

I didn't want to rehash this, but here goes.

The blower failure had nothing to do with JDM, or Works it was just a defective blower from Magnuson. Look at SVT KY he has a stock blower that is being replaced. When you have a mass produced product, once in a great while you will get a defective unit.

The blower was Never Opened The intake was taken off to trim a vacuum line to make it fit better. The blower was never touched. They took off the intake to make sure no metal shavings got into the blower. Then they cleaned the intake to make sue it was perfectly clean. I was right there and saw the whole install.

The blower itself wasn't opened up untill it got back to California.

Also even if Shawn did open it up, which he didn't I wouldn't be worried. He took the front cover off my stock blower to replace the upper pulley. The stock blower now has 40,000 miles on it and is running perfect. JDM has taken over 100 blowers apart to relace the upper pulley, and I have never heard of one of those blowers having any problems.

Ask all the L guys on this board who have had JDM remove the front of the blower, if anyone has had any problems. I don't think you will get anyone to reply with any problems.

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Same here Shaun and Jim took off the snout of my blower and replaced it for me. Jim even put it on the lathe to get my upper pulley to fit since they are made worth a ***** to fit. Not a problem here. Oh yea and they didnt charge me for that just the 8 bucks for blower oil Thanks Jim
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 10:54 PM
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SAL: Again YOU show me the data YOU say you have....As far as the KB overshadowing the works..Thats my Opinion..we'll soon see how customer friendly the works will be and how customer friendly the KB will be..I have installed Numerous New Kb's.. it takes about 30 -45 mins.for me to remove the *stock* unit and replace it with the KB and have the truck running and ready to go! Thats what i call customer friendly! And that alone IMO will over shadow the works from what ive seen and heard..but then again i myself have not personally Tried to bolt up that works your refering to. The only 1 i ever seen being bolted up, was the 1 you received in GA. @ the NMRA race. and that didn't look like it was going to well.....This is getting Old lets just give it a rest...can we?..... JL
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Don's Bolt
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How about getting you F**kin facts straight bud.

I didn't want to rehash this, but here goes.

The blower failure had nothing to do with JDM, or Works it was just a defective blower from Magnuson. Look at SVT KY he has a stock blower that is being replaced. When you have a mass produced product, once in a great while you will get a defective unit.

The blower was Never Opened The intake was taken off to trim a vacuum line to make it fit better. The blower was never touched. They took off the intake to make sure no metal shavings got into the blower. Then they cleaned the intake to make sue it was perfectly clean. I was right there and saw the whole install.

The blower itself wasn't opened up untill it got back to California.

Also even if Shawn did open it up, which he didn't I wouldn't be worried. He took the front cover off my stock blower to replace the upper pulley. The stock blower now has 40,000 miles on it and is running perfect. JDM has taken over 100 blowers apart to relace the upper pulley, and I have never heard of one of those blowers having any problems.

Ask all the L guys on this board who have had JDM remove the front of the blower, if anyone has had any problems. I don't think you will get anyone to reply with any problems.

Nuf said
My facts are straight along with the pictures that were taken in CA when the blower arrived, straight with metal shavings and a hacksawed piece removed... Throw in the rounded off bolts and we have a winner people. Ding Ding Ding. You may be able to blow smoke up everyones else *** around here, but not mine.

Everytime you have talked about your broken blower, you have always pointed the blame at Works, not Magnuson.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 10:59 PM
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I would like to upgrade the blower on my truck. I think that either blower will produce more power than I can hook up on the street, which is where my daily driver L spends all of its time. So a drag strip duel does not mean that much to me. My biggest issue is which blower will stay together for the next 100,000 miles?? That will take some real talent to design and engineer! I would think that a large company with lots of R & D, and comittment to quality would have the best shot. If I take Sal at his word, and I have no reason not to, I think the Works blower fits the bill. Just my observation. I have never bought anything from Sal nor do I have any financial interest in Sal's business.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:08 PM
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I would like to upgrade the blower on my truck. I think that either blower will produce more power than I can hook up on the street, which is where my daily driver L spends all of its time. So a drag strip duel does not mean that much to me. My biggest issue is which blower will stay together for the next 100,000 miles?? That will take some real talent to design and engineer! I would think that a large company with lots of R & D, and comittment to quality would have the best shot. If I take Sal at his word, and I have no reason not to, I think the Works blower fits the bill. Just my observation. I have never bought anything from Sal nor do I have any financial interest in Sal's business.
I would like to upgrade the blower on my truck. I think that either blower will produce more power than I can hook up on the street, which is where my daily driver L spends all of its time. So a drag strip duel does not mean that much to me. My biggest issue is which blower will stay together for the next 100,000 miles?? That will take some real talent to design and engineer! I would think that a large company with lots of R & D, and comittment to quality would have the best shot. If I take JL at his word, and I have no reason not to, I think the KB blower fits the bill. Just my observation. I have bought from Sal and JL, but I have no financial interest in Sal's or JL's business.

 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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You almost had me
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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Well Easter, youre just going to have to do your own research to determine which one best suits your needs.. To many swayed opinions floating around. I will continue to push Works because it IS a better made blower with customer service next to none. Not to mention, makes more power, period.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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Holy Slow Poke I'm gonna have the slowest got dam Lightning in the Country with all these Blowers coming out
I know I fool around a lot and have fun with these post, but I got to get serious for a minute:

For the people like me "and many others" that really don't have a clue of which one is truly better, I'd say we need to see them ALL in use FOR A WHILE before ANYONE should jump to conclusions.
The facts will never change that Jim, Johnny, + Sal along with other Tuners and Owners have held and broken records for the fastest Gen 2 trucks in the World. No one can ever take that away from you, someone new can come along and beat it, "and they will", but the bickering and trashing is really not needed or helpful. Like johnny said, whats next, John Force ? Someone bigger and better is always gonna come along.
Johnny ran a 10.5 with no Juice "THATS AWESOME"
Sal ran faster with Juice "THATS AWESOME" Jim was out there breaking his records "THATS AWESOME" and so was the whole community AND THAT WAS JUST AS AWESOME.

I wan't an aftermarket S/C some day, but have no clue on which one ??? What I need to see is all of them in action, running for tens of thousands of miles. And I want to hear from the new owners of them on how much extra HP and ET was gotten from them. It seems only then I will know which is better "FOR MY NEEDS". Quite frankly I don't see how anyone else can come to a differant conclusion RIGHT NOW, "UNLESS YOU HAVE ONE"
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by LightningTuner
. . . Has anyone actually LOOKED at the trap speeds? My truck is 7 mph faster than JLs. Not only is it 7 mph faster, it's 7 mph faster at over 400lbs more. That's a buttload of power difference people. So just because two trucks may be turning almost the same ETs, that doesn't mean the trucks are making the same power.
Amen, Sal. I cannot understand why otherwise intelligent people keep comparing ETs. At the risk if sounding like a broken record, trap speed is a highly reliable measure of power gains--in fact, a recent Hot Rod article rated it superior to chassis dynos.

ET is not a reliable meaure of HP. Period.

But maybe this overlooks the larger point. Which blower makes the most power pound-for-pound is an important consideration, but is far from the whole story.

What good is a fast blower that is not reliable?
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:14 PM
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Speaking of customer service, How well was the person taken care of when his Works went bad? We all know who I am talking about. Didn't he fix it out of his own pocket? Didn't he replace it with a K/B? Skip
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I still think the Works 140 is going to be the better of the two twin screw blowers.

I don't know why but I have become a evil word with all the Works supporters. I didn't do anything wrong, and nobody wanted the 112 to work more than I did.
 

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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:22 PM
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Well **** here is the real story. Chris told me JDM must have modified the blower before I got to see it. Well I doubt it, but if that happened it is Chris's fault. He took over a month to cash my check, and since I had a appoitment 300 miles away to have it installed he had to ship it to JDM 2nd day. If he had deposited my check when he got it, I would have had the blower two weeks before the appoitment. Then I would have had possesion of the blower the whole time.

When we did install the blower it overheated with in 30 seconds. I called Chris and told him about the heat, he told me he thought it was a boost bi pass proble and would send me out a new cam to fix the problem. Well 2 or 3 weeks later I got the part, maybee if it had the proper cam from the biggining the blower may never have overheated.

So **** what do you say about that?
Welp, simply on the risk of getting banned, i wont say what i really should say. That would be vendor bashing. Anyhow, its YOUR fault for having Chris ship the blower to JDM anyhow. I mean, this IS the guy who took your money for a blower that never even existed in the first place. Inturn, you order the blower from Chris direct to spite Jim. I mean, i just dont get it. Being hot and cold with people week in, week out, is strangely odd Don. You have some weird behavioral patterns, especially blaming Chris for JDM tampering with YOUR blower without YOUR permission. This is what i have to say. Someone want to rehash this and here it is.. Now what? Would you like to finally put this to bed?
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:26 PM
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Don, ****, and Skip...

Since Dons blower was not a screw, and since Don already stated that Works was not at fault for the failure, can we PLEASE take this debate elsewhere as it does not apply to this thread. Just trying to keep us on track here.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by LightningTuner
Don, ****, and Skip...

Since Dons blower was not a screw, and since Don already stated that Works was not at fault for the failure, can we PLEASE take this debate elsewhere as it does not apply to this thread. Just trying to keep us on track here.

Sure Sal, i can do this...

I said my peace with Donald.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2003 | 11:30 PM
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Sorry that I brought it up!!! Way to many idiot know it alls lurking around here. This is getting beyond stupid! Skip
 
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