That won't work. Those joints will offend the Muslims so the PC patrol won't allow it.

 

Blue knows he was there!!!!!!

 

Someone had to carry the blamed things down the mountain!

 

Christian = Strong Family Values???

Luke 14:26
Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.
~Jesus Christ

I did.


"The Crusades were a series of religiously sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Western Christian Europe, particularly the Franks of France and the Holy Roman Empire. The specific crusades to restore Christian control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291. Other campaigns in Spain and Eastern Europe continued into the 15th century. The Crusades were fought mainly by Roman Catholic forces (taking place after the East-West Schism and mostly before the Protestant Reformation) against Muslims who had occupied the near east since the time of the Rashidun Caliphate, although campaigns were also waged against pagan Slavs, paganBalts, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians, Old Prussians, and political enemies of the various popes. Orthodox Christians also took part in fighting against Islamic forces in some Crusades. Crusaders took vows and were granted penance for past sins, often called an indulgence."


Ahem, it was Green_98 that associated the 10 commandments with Christianity.

Probably the best reply thus far.

 

You mean this one?
I don't see where you're addressing the mosque issue. Yes I DO agree the WTC should have been built as it was. Not on the original footprint or foundations, but each new tower next to its fallen "brother", preserving what is now 2 grave sites of those that were not recovered.

As for the mosque... no way, no how. Build it elsewhere, or go pray at the any number of already existing mosques in NYC. I'm not interested in their so called "outreach". When the original name was the Cordoba House... they placed a bet on our ignorance of the meaning. So now it's a big old NY "F-U" to the idea. 70% of NY feels the same way. Those that are pontificating on the Constitutional right and so fourth, have twisted the issue in to some thing it's not.

Then your friends need to speak up and denounce the radical ones IN PUBLIC. Islam, not Muslims, is the problem. It takes a Muslim to practice Islam, in what ever form they choose. When we hear that the radical ones want the US to be "Sharia compliant"... again a big old "F-U" is in order. So if your friends are not this type of practicing Muslim.. then they need to let the rest of us know. You're still not going to get your mosque at GZ... but it will go a lot further for the purpose of "outreach" than building an Islamic monument to 9/11. The first people they need to reach out to are the families that lost loved ones that day. Let them decide how to move forward.

People here have tried to explain it, but you just don’t want to hear it. Exactly who was it that perpetrated 9/11? ISLAMIC TERRORISTS in the name of "Allah". In the case of this mosque, we don't want to hear the call to prayer or anything else regarding Islam, anywhere near the WTC. Peaceful or not, IT'S STILL A IN YOUR FACE REMINDER of that day. Speaking as someone who was there, I don't need a reminder, thank you. ANY decent thinking person wouldn't even PROPOSE to do such a thing as to erect this mosque at this location. The worst part is that now with all the protests and contrary to the wishes of 70% of NY, they STILL want to put it there. Who's perpetuating this? Not the people against it, that's for sure. You're friends and every other "normal" Muslim should be speaking out, especially to those that want to build this insult, against it. Loudly, publicly and as long as it takes for them to abandon the project. PERIOD.

Then you can see why we'd be opposed to (as in your own words)
building this monstrosity near Ground Zero.

As to your vacation post... between that and this issue, you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. Muslims practicing their religion at the campsite are dirty little "Muhammeds", when it disturbs you... but any other time, when it's not effecting you, any opposition to it (in this case the GZ mosque) and it's "all good" and we need to be schooled on how -you- don't understand our distaste? Funny, you didn’t want to turn down your music when asked, while sharing a public space to accommodate the call to prayer… but I as a New Yorker and a US citizen, while being opposed to the mosque, needs to be lectured to, by you, about my intolerance of Muslims and Islam? Pahhhleeeezzze You don’t have a leg to stand on.

 

YES! It means exactly that. Without an understanding of the bible and the teachings of Christ, you get the meaning that you are purposely distorting. You really need to stop quoting things you have absolutely NO understanding of. Do you really pride yourself on being such an idiot?

In the interest of fairness, here's how it's explained:

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I'm tending to agree with the rest of them.. Bluejay put it best: "You confuse so much of your beliefs with facts that it's impossible to discuss points with you."

Your animosity toward Christian values is quite astounding.

 

Keep researching Habs instead of cherry picking and selective editing. In other words, post what happened prior to the crusades.

Let me also add that the crusades were wrong and sponsored by the catholic church.

 

All this over religion..... tisk tisk tisk... I believe in "evolution" because it makes so much more sense than a bearded man up in the sky looking down and allowing people to Mame and murder each other in the name of a said god.



:santa: <<<<<< is this god, jesus, allah, santa, easter bunny???




I don't know call me crazy

 

We all came from an amoeba and the amoeba just appeared from some big bang. You like that better than a bearded man not having robots?

 

Habibi, what you don't realize is that when you quote things out of text, you are quoting something that is written in a different tense.
The whole book of I John is that way. It is written a different tense (present active tense or something like that)

So a verse that reads "He who is saved sins no more"

Your interpretation would be "WOAH, look here little Bible thumper, it says that if youre a true Christian, you'll never ever sin again and you must be perfect. You admitted that you cussed yesterday, so you're not a true Christian, you're just pretty much comparable to Adolf Hitler!"

But what that verse really means in the present active tense is "He who is saved lives in sin no more." Basically, a person who is truely saved leaves their old habits behind and takes up a new way of living. It doesnt mean that they will never commit a sin ever again, it simply means that they do not live in habitchual sin as they did before and that they have recognized that believing in Jesus' sacrifice for our sins is our only hope of salvation.

To you, it means something completely different than what was intended. You have to consider the author, the time period, location, etc. before just quoting something you know nothing about.


That is the problem with quoting out of context when you really have no idea what you're talking about.
And yes Buck, it makes perfect sense that the infinetely complex human body and spirit formed out of some prehistoric single celled mass once sunlight hit it just right in the right air conditions.... /end sarcasm




Again I ask: What makes the heart beat?

 

Habibi
You're much hungrier than I am; you need the food for thought.


How much clearer can islam's intent be for America? They've told us they want to kill us. Any person who does not bow to muhammad deserves death. And you want me to play into their scheme? You're out of your mind. I am a fighter, not an appeaser. I believe in freedom for all, however in case you havent realized, islam DOES NOT THINK THAT WAY. Think back to my 2 muslim aquaintence at WalMart that night. They silently agreed with the attacks on the innocent people in NYC, all while they live in America and enjoy getting PhD degrees from one of our great universities and enjoying the beauty of every aspect of America. I told them that if it was my choice, I would cram them in a box and ship them back to Iran and Pakistan where they came from. Not a good Christian approach, but I have a bad temper, especially when you trample on the country that my grandfathers and greatgrandfathers bled to keep free from threats like theirs.

You keep on with your tollerance and the free giving of anything that islam wants in this country. People like me will stand up and fight this cult if it ever starts to over run this country and starts slaughtering citizens due to non-compliance. They do it in their own country, why wouldnt they do that here eventually? We'll probably never see it in our lifetime, but as they slowly seep into control in our country, the possability is there.

 

What you will see as a consistent with the guys that take the position that there is no God is a complete lack of understanding and disregard for context. Understanding context and the true meaning of the words defeats them when they want to grab a sentence or verse to support the thought they are expousing. They either can't grasp the idea that the written word was directed to a specific person or group of people at a certain moment in time, or they choose to ignore context as it defeats what they want to believe. It's as if they have ADD and enjoy it. How is that for an appropriate smiley?

 

Excellent point, Blue.
And yet the same rules of engagement are not extended to the Koran/Islam.

 

Where did that come from? Who said they can't be?

 

Not so consistently. What I can't figure out is why people are so angry about someone else having religion. I know lot's of people who could not function in this world without it. And I'm thankful they have it.

Using the Bible to try and convince someone there is no God seems like a fruitless venture to me. It's like using the Hooter's menu to prove the wings are from free-range chickens... You just have to take it all on Faith. It all boils down to that.

What my personal beliefs are have been held against me by Christians, and have affected everything from my job security to my personal relationships. Lately, I try to keep it to myself, without being false to myself. It ain't easy.