Then why doesn't Dell put the i7 in it's top of the line workstation PCs?

You state that both those pcs are faster than the mac at processing data and graphics. Essentially what you're saying is you've had all 3 computers side by side running the same programs, doing the same photo or video editing. Did you video tape this or document it somehow?

 

You don't have to have them side by side to see one is faster, the reason the i7 isn't in the workstation is its faster than needed and very expensive.

 

Have you even researched these processors at all? Seriously.

Here's the Xeon processor used in the Dell

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...CPR-458583-B21

Here's the I7 940 used in the Gateway

http://www.nextag.com/Intel-Core-i7-...93/prices-html

And the I7 975 used in the Dell Gaming Machine

http://www.nextag.com/I7-975/search-html

sigh

 

So you provide prices at 2 different stores and the wrong processor for the apple and thats supposed to mean something
Here is the processor from the apple.
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...px?EDC=1739681

And to make the comparison even here is the i7 975 from the dell at the same store.

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...LPROD%3ai7+975
BTW The fact that its much faster is why the i7 is about $400 bucks more. Here is intel's comparison of the all chips in question http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=37150,37153,39719,
if you look at the bulk price difference its $437 between the i7 975 and the xeon and the xeon and slower i7 (faster than the xeon)in the gateway are the same price, just not when apple is charging for it.
sigh

 

If you're not smart enough to figure out what nextag is I can't help you.

If you're not smart enough to figure out what nextag is I can't help you.

You're making no sense at all. Where is the I7 975 EXTREME being used in any of the computers linked in this thread. You do know there's two I7 975s right?

Now that we know there's no price difference between the I7 975 http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...LPROD%3aI7+975

And the Xeon that Dell uses in high end work stations http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...CPR-458583-B21


Which brings us back to this quote from you.

"You don't have to have them side by side to see one is faster, the reason the i7 isn't in the workstation is its faster than needed and very expensive."

WTF ::bangs head on desk:: I've never heard that before EVER in the world of computing. "faster than needed" Wow. You can bet if that I7 was a better processor than the Xeons for workstations Dell would spend the extra $500 or so on a $3 to $4k computer.

 

Ya'll both lost me a while ago!

- NCSU

 

Your entire post is worthless, YOU ARE USING THE WRONG XEON CHIP THAT IS NOT THE CHIP IN THE APPLE COMPUTER IT IS FASTER AND THE WRONG MODEL NUMBER

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...px?EDC=1739681
That is the processor in the apple, it is $689.99
not $1200
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/def...LPROD%3ai7+975
like the i7 chip. If you are not smart enough to tell the difference between one model number and another then its a good thing you bought an apple. The i7 chip is $511 dollars more expensive at cdw than the xeon in the apple. That is a lot of money, so that and the fact its overkill because most users of workstation pc's will never overclock is why not used much(right now) in a workstation pc from a major builder.
BTW this is intels site that I posted earlier, look where it says 1ku bulk budgetary price for bulk buyers there is a $411 difference straight from intel.

Now since you obviously want to compare dell to dell now that the apple is proven to be overpriced here are the two chips from the dell
http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=33083,37153,39719,
If you notice the xeon is $915 in bulk price so its about $100 buck cheaper, the other thing you might notice is its 1333 FSB not the new nehalem technology. Which means its is substantially slower, but the fact that it has a high 3ghz clock speed and most users only look at that because they don't know any better(YOU), dell sales the cheaper of the 2 chips to make more money. The reason the e5450 is so expensive is because its a server grade chip.

 

The W3540 is a server chip too, btw.

And where again did you prove to me that Apple Pro workstations are overpriced compared to PCs? You pretty much ignored this post and went off on a tagent about how much faster the I7 is. ????


So two comparable professional computers IMO (I'm sure you'll disagree ) would be the following:

http://store.apple.com/us/configure/...mco=NDE4NDIwNA

and Dells

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...=MLB1668&s=biz

The Mac came in less so I added 8gb of ram, a 2nd 650GB internal drive, Upgraded Graphics card (cause you like those), Put in a 2nd Superdrive, Final Cut Express 4 video editing software, A HP Wireless Fax All-in-One Printer, Scanner, Copier (cool) and a 3 year protection plan.


You replied to that post with some nonsense about how much fast the I7 is. Again that computer doesn't use the I7. It uses the E5450. Which uses FSB not QPI like the W3540. And, again, to quote you

"the other thing you might notice is its 1333 FSB not the new nehalem technology. Which means its is substantially slower, but the fact that it has a high 3ghz clock speed and most users only look at that because they don't know any better(YOU)"

So let's do a benchmark with the 3540 and the 5450 Hell let's throw the I7 975 Extreme (the best I7) in with em.

http://hwbot.org/hardware.compare.do...21_1&id=1566_1

ooops.


Tell you what. You stick with your I7 processors for your gaming machines and I'll stick with my Xeon ECC memory processors for my workstations.

In the end I just want to thank you for making me research those high end PC workstations. You've proved to me that Macs aren't as overpriced as once thought. Actually, it's a great deal compared to that similarly hardware equipped Dell after I got to add all those goodies to get to Dells price.

You keep going round in circles. Until you can prove to me why the Mac in this post is overpriced compared to the Dell in this post I'm done.

 

Look at the dell you posted in this post, it has 2 quad core processors.
This is the benchmark of the dual processors in the dell
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_look...50+%40+3.00GHz
Here is the i7
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_look...75+%40+3.33GHz
And bringing up the rear the apple xeon
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_look...40+%40+2.93GHz

 

Ummm actually, no it doesn't. The link doesn't give you the machine I quoted. If I added another processor it would be an additional $1,429.

Here's the machine I quoted:

Dell Precision Workstation T7400 - 32bit
Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333), Genuine Windows Vista® Business Downgrade,XP Professional SP3 Install,E

Unit Price: $4,482
SYSTEM OPTIONS Dell Precision Workstation T7400 - 32bit Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
Operating System Genuine Windows Vista® Business Downgrade,XP Professional SP3 Install,E
Memory 4GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (4 DIMMS)
Keyboard USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
Graphic Cards 512MB PCIe x16 ATI Fire GL V7700, Dual Monitor DVI capable
DVD, and Read-Write Devices 16X DVD-ROM with Cyberlink Power DVD™
Additional PCI-E Network Adapter card Broadcom NetXtreme 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet controller-PCI Express card
Security Software None
Mouse New Dell USB Optical Mouse with scroll, All Black Design
Modem None
Sound Card None
Speakers Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell

STORAGE OPTIONS
Hard Drive Configuration C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
Boot Hard Drive 750GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™
2nd Hard Drive None
3rd Hard Drive None
4th Hard Drive None
5th Hard Drive None
Hard Drive Internal Controller Option None Note: This is a $599 option you have to have to add extra drives !!!!!!!!!
SOFTWARE OPTIONS
Productivity Software None
OTHER OPTIONS
PC Restore for Vista (on drive recovery partition) None
GPU Computing None
Removable Media None
Wireless Dell 1505 Wireless-N PCIe Card
Accessories None
External Storage None
Networking None
Power None
SERVICE OPTIONS
Services 3 Year ProSupport for IT and 3 Year NBD Onsite Service
Data Protection Offers None
Installation Services No Onsite System Setup
Services- Absolute Asset Tracking/Security None
Services- Asset Tags on the System Chassis None
ACCESSORIES OPTIONS
Mouse Pad None
Software None
Back Up Power Options None


Also included in this system

The following options are default selections included with your order

Vista Premium Sticker

Now the Mac for $4,495 with all kinds of goodies added. Extra hard drive, two DVD drives, Final cut Express, wireless mouse and keyboard, and even a scanner, printer, fax, copier all in one. I think we even get some apple stickers with that

* One 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
* 6GB (3x2GB)
* None
* 640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* None
* None
* 2x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
* Two 18x SuperDrives
* None
* None
* Apple Wireless Mighty Mouse
* Apple Wireless Keyboard (English) and User's Guide
* AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi Card with 802.11n
* None
* iWork '09 preinstalled
* Final Cut Express preinstalled
* None
* None
* None
* None
* None
* None
* None
* None
* HP Photosmart Premium Wireless Fax All-in-One Printer, Scanner, Copier
* None
* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll

 

The link to dell you provided above has dual e5405 processors and its $2276
exact copy from the sytems options page.
Dell Precision Workstation T7400 - 32bit Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor E5405 (2.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333) edit
Operating System Genuine Windows Vista® Business Downgrade,XP Professional SP3 Install,E edit
2nd Processor (Must match speed selection above) Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor E5405 (2.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333) edit
Memory 2GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS) edit
Keyboard USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys edit
Graphic Cards 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable edit
DVD, and Read-Write Devices 16X DVD-ROM with Cyberlink Power DVD™ edit
Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options No Floppy Drive edit
Monitors Dell E170SB,17 inch,Flat Panel edit
2nd Monitor None edit
3rd Monitor None edit
4th Monitor None edit
Additional PCI-E Network Adapter card None edit
Security Software None edit
Mouse New Dell USB Optical Mouse with scroll, All Black Design edit
Modem None edit
Sound Card None edit
Speakers Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell edit
Quick Reference Guide None edit
Resource DVD No Resource DVD

I didn't take the time to change the ram and such, but even at equal price after adding all the stuff its a lot more processing power.

 

Yeah I wonder why. Comes with 2gig of ram and a 80gb harddrive. Not to mention a 256mb video card. Add that stuff in and see what you come too.

You want to compare dual processor machines? The base 8-Core Dual Mac is still a better bargin at a $3299 base price than the Dell is after upgrading everything to get what the Mac has.

You're defeated, dude. Just admit it.

 

Are you retarded, that is the machine you posted it comes with 8 cores. When you add everything else to it its a little more than the apple you posted in price, but its much faster. How you canont understand this is beyond me. If you want to start comparing top end 8 core machines we can do that also, but you should know just like everything we have discussed already the apple will come out behind.

 

My question is what was wrong with the first dell we were comparing too? It was faster and cheaper, and was only a quad core like the apple. Or as far as that goes the much much cheaper gateway that was still a bit faster but like half the price?

 

WTF are you talking about? What machine I posted?

The machines I posted for price comparison are a single processor quad core Dell and a single processor quad core Mac. Go to Dells page and price it. You don't have to get the computer with dual processors. You can order it either way. And who's the retarded one? My God man.

You're the one that came back with the dual Dell with 2gig of ram and 80gig HD.