the new reform bill does not include tort reform...so when you have a malpractice suit have fun taking on the dept of health and human services. that being said, i have excellent coverage at a quite affordable rate. if it spikes in monthly price, i will have to switch to an HMO. That means the collectivism ideologues have won, the rights of the individual will be cast aside for the rights of society, therein requiring me to reduce my standard of both living and benefits. yay. thanks b hussien.

 

Yep, I got that the first time about nationalized HC. Really, I did. No need to bold.

Yep, making things easier on the drug companies would help. My wife worked in biotechnology/cancer research for about 15 years, before she quit to stay home with our kids. Lots of great people making life saving drugs at those big pharmaceutical companies. Either that, or maybe they are just greedy money grubbing capitalist swine like it says in the newspaper.

As for your uncle, I think in the past, some insurance companies and hospitals would take on 'money losers' because it was the right thing to do. I don't trust the government bean counters to be so generous of spirit. "Sorry, Mr. X, despite your Dr.'s wishes, our tables show it's not cost effective to save you."

Every year government health care runs in the red, the rationing of care will get tighter and tighter.

 

Yes, too many of our cities are in decline to the point that operations cannot be sustained.

Those large cities are frequently run by liberal politicians. Those failed policies (and then some) are about to be implemented on a national scale. It's not just the churches that will be closing...

The worst is yet to come, IMO, especially if (when) we hang the mill stone of national health care around the economy's neck.

Honestly, I think the pols in DC want to break the country, so they can rebuild it the way they think it should be. They are well on their way, and we are letting them.

 

She will have health care that she did not have after she could not afford to pay for it.

They will have health care that they did not have after they could not afford it.

I agree that they are afraid of national health care and probably opposed to it, but would they still be that way if they had nothing at all. I know that I would rather have some help then no help at all, even for people other then me who have nothing.

Just ask a friend who is sick how you can help... for some people all they need is someone to talk to about their problems... someone to listen if they have no one.

Any medicine works better then no medicine. I'm sorry that you have a problem, in essence it is just helping out other americans. I'm not going to force you to, you can if you want to... that is what freedom is. I'm just trying to convince people to.

Families are helping families, they just aren't next door to eachother... they are giving the government money to help the other families. We were asked what can we do for our country... what we can do it help fellow americans in need. Thats the basis of one of those principles that will always be strong. When families band together, they are not telling one family to deal with their own problems. I personally believe that all americans have always been entitled to help from other americans... that is what makes a person an american. I think it can work by people providing health care when there was none previously.

 

I'm sure we can find an american who can help them as opposed to telling them this in person to people who are sick including Patricia and also Obama... let alone a letter.

My government... are you not an american? I honestly do not know and am just curious. If not, what country are you a citizen of? That is to bad that he is capped at 2 years and has to leave for half of each year. That is also to bad that there are not other doctors that can help him with all of the medical schools we have in the world. With all of this, it is also to bad that people have to wait two years or die in the process. I have a friend who is a retired dentist living in Hawaii... he still works most days to help people who cannot afford dental care though out of the goodness of his heart.

People still have that help, and if they don't they can have the government help them with this plan.

Even if they are not entitled to the best care money can buy, they can at least have some care rather then none.

Personal accountability has been dead and gone for quite a while now.

You don't have to have help if you don't want it in my opinion, and Obama and the government will not force it down the throat I'm sure of everyone down the road of life, but will help if you ask for it, which if you go to the doctor I'm sure you are asking for help.

I'm not asking for everything and I"m sure the government is not either, just a helping hand.

 

Even if what Obama is doing is not exactly right... at least he is doing something.

Prayers and encouragement can go a long way if the government or others give some financial assistance.

If that is true, then we can either kill the economy or kill millions of people without healthcare. What is the point of the future if we do not have the people there to help the economy. The two things you mentioned are easy to stop... have congress sign them into law. With enough support of that law it can happen.

See my answers above for the first statement, and the time constraints can also be fixed with a law.

 

The financial difficulties are mainly caused by low attendance... it is happening in my town because no one lives near the churches anymore.

I'm sure 100 million americans are not totally broke that go to church to the point that they cannot afford to give anything to the church, they do not even have to give all their money to the church, just as much as they can afford or want to.

My church does not have strings attached to help... we help anyone, and are not the only one like that. The government does not take money from you based on your personality.

How do you know exactly that it is not true? I know of real people in this situation beyond her.

Ultimately everything else cost money at some point or end. Who says she has any money left.

Tort reform can always be added. Sorry you have to reduce your standard of living and benefits for a fellow american who is dying or died.

Anything can be fixed at companies with a law.

I believe the government or other people will always help if someone can't afford something. All someone has to do is ask.

Some rationing is better the none.

My city is in decline because they do not encourage development. I'm all for development.

If we just sit still, health care will not be fixed... we have to do something, just like development.

I think many people in DC want to help existing people throughout the country.

 

GreenBuck50, they're ganing up on you, aren't they? Let me tell you all a story, a true one:

My Wife Janet and I visited New Zealand about 12 years ago. To be transparent in this, she was born in New Zealand but is a Naturalized American Citizen now.

During our visit, she became quite ill. I do not recall the details of her illness, but, a local MD was called and he told her to come in - THAT DAY!. He saw her at the appointed hour, she was violently sick in his office (but I won't go into that) and, he diagnosed and prescribed treatment for her illness. We had to walk across the street for the medication, which, seemed to cure her.

The cost? Minimal! I don't remember paying the Doctor anything and the prescription was less than $10.00.

Bottom line, she was cured quickly, efficiently, and by a caring physician.

This is New Zealand's medical model.

As a side note, Janet's Father was a physician too. He often took payment in chickens or food that his patients could afford to "trade" for his services. He did not die a rich man, but, he was "comfortable".

Please notice that the Primary Care physicians are "pro" health care reform. Specialists, like Surgeons, Ophthalmologists, Orthopods, Plastic Men and their ilk are not. Can you guess why?

Why can't we have something like this? Janet's Brother-in-Law is a Radiologist. He travels all over the world, filling in for vacationing Radiologists, and, he's lectured in many of these places. He's not rich either, but, he's comfortable.

Quality medicine DOES NOT have to cost a fortune! We just have to change the paradigm.

GreenBuck50, I hope your friend can get the care she needs. But, she won't get it if things continue as they are.

- Jack

 

Jack- True story here. We have friends in NZ- have been friends for over 30 years. They visited us here several times. She is involved in Gov. in NZ, at the local level. We don't have the same position here. She said the costs for med. care are extremely low. The catch is the income tax rates START at, I believe, 51%. Free, i don't think so! There is no free lunch, if you're eating a lunch you didn't pay for, someone paid for a lunch they're NOT EATING!
I heard Obama say just last night on TV, concerning the universal med. care- "THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH" The system definitely needs fixing, this is not the answer though.

 

Bull**** stories are what give people something to argue about.
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I don't want socialist medicine myself. Even under our current system, I had to wait over 6 months for a bone fusion. That was after several years just for the diagnosis.

Can anyone imagine the corruption and bureaucracy national health care could lead to. Imagine paying a bureaucrat under the table to get yourself moved up a list. The poor still wouldn't get any help.

 

Bottom line we need to get medical costs back down. I just had a colonoscopy done and if I did not have insurance the cost would have been about $7,000. The procedure itself was about 20-30 minutes and my time from walking in the door to leaving was under 3 hours. Hell the Doctor's bill would have been about $2,000 for 30 minutes without insurance. I don't know the exact amount I will be responsible for yet since I have not contributed to my deductible this year but it will be around $1700-$2,000. Another small example, when my wife broke her color bone they doctor gave her an arm sling that you buy at wal-mart for $10 but insurance was billed $100 for it. Give me a damn break!

There is a lot of greed in the current medical system because the doctors, hospitals, and drug companies know they can get away with it. I'm constantly seeing advertisements for hospitals and such....why do they need to advertise? Everyone knows where they are and will go there when needed. Same goes with drugs why do they need to advertise so much....go to the doctor and they prescribe what you need. Do you really think that seeing a 30 second commercial you know better than the doctor? My wife is a nurse and she is sick and tired of the trend to have hospital rooms where all of the supplies and equipment is behind cherry cabinets just so that the rooms look like a hotel instead of a hospital. Who pays for the fancy rooms, we do when we check in. I don't know about you guys but when I'm in the hospital I could not care less what the room looks like. I'm in there to get fixed and want to get the hell out ASAP.

How about a dentist I've been to that had flat panel TV's hung on the ceiling above every chair....Is that really needed? This list of unneeded items could go on and on. The fact is we are paying for all of this.

Don't even get me started on Medicaid. My wife has seen so much bullcrap with that system that just makes me sick to my stomach. The standing out case was when Medicaid patent came in for outpatient surgery. She arrived from out of town in a taxi. The taxi waited 6 to 7 hours outside the surgery center. My wife asked her if she was paying for the taxi and the response from the patient was "no, Medicaid approved to pay for it." To top it off the surgery was elective! Since my wife sees how Medicaid works day in and day out I really don’t have any faith in the government being able to run their proposed health care system any better and will probably make things worse.

The current system is broke and there is no quick easy fix for it. Now you have Obama pushing Government HC down our throat since he wants go for vote before congress goes on there break next month. I’ve had it with this do it now or die urgency that he keeps doing.

If we can get the current costs down for HC then more companies would be able to offer insurance to their employees. Most companies would offer insurance if they could afford to but between taxes and insurance cost these companies cannot afford to do so. Also then people could to afford to buy insurance plans if they were out of work too. We do not need a “new” healthcare system but an overhaul of what we currently have with the least amount of government involvement.

Please call, write, email your representatives if you are unhappy with what is going on. I have and will continue to do so.

Ok I’ll step off my soap box now.

 

In this area there is a transportation line, that receives it's funding from tax dollars. The sole purpose of it is to carry medicare and medicaid recipients back and forth to the Dr. and clinics. That same system could be used as public transportation, by paying customers. But instead, the Vans/buses drive around with only a few people in them. They could actually be self supportive, just by running a schedule

 

My hands are busy providing for my wife and kids. If the government can't find a way to help your friend with what they already TAKE from me (true, they don't take it ALL yet), sorry, but I'm tapped out.

Maybe if the government was more efficient with what they already receive from the taxpayers, they could help your friend?

Sorry, but the solution to your friend's problem is not the government putting a gun to my head and taking more of my money while they seize the country's medical system and 1/6 of the nation's economy. BTW, that's what will happen - it's not the same as them asking for a helping hand.

 

You are so naive...Doing something can be much worse than doing nothing. If we get nationalized health care, you will see...

What is the point of the future? FREEDOM. There are some things more important than the government taking away from those that have to provide health care for those that do not. Living in a free country is one of those things. Sorry I have to explain this to you.

You acknowledge that we can greatly reduce medical costs with tort reform and eliminating care provided to illegal aliens, and you advise simply passing laws on top of Obama care.

Are you for real? Do you understanding nothing of the political realities of your country? Those things would indeed save tons of money on healthcare costs, but they are POLITICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to accomplish thanks to the same people who want to give you national health care! Duh! They want to break the system and then convince you that their solutions are your best hope.

Follow the money, and the power! National health care centralizes more of both in DC, at the expense of your freedom!

 

I just wanna know how does Free HC lower the standard of quality of your care? With free HC do the Doctors become "dummer" or less skilled because of it? Americas health care is not great do the costs paid and the fact that Americans pay for it, but by the education of the doctors in the profession. Thats what makes American Healthcare Great, not that its privatized. I just think the arguement of free HC lowers quality because there is no cost to the American populus is invalid.

I have mixed views on this and I understand what a lot of people are trying to convey but i feel as if the QUALITY of the healthcare will remain the same but the quality of your experience there might suck (wait times, ammount of hypocondriacs flooding hospitals, ect.)

I am a volunteer First Responder and I believe that if your health is in extreme dire need (trauma, critical condition, ect) you will still get the same care you need under free HC. I beleive people have this mental image of free HC, where a person is dying and there is this huge line of people waiting to get help and that dying person is placed in a waiting queue behind all those people. That will not happen and doesnt happen today.

Now if you break your arm, you might be waiting longer with Free HC.





We just need more Patch Adams' in the world, man i love that movie