That's how it always starts, a helping hand. It sets a precedent on what else they can do later on down the road.

Besides, all things being equal, the government already can't get by without throwing billions of our dollars away with little to no benefit; I'm not quite ready to trust them with running a health care system for its citizens.

 

This stuff pisses me off. The new, I got sick but can't pay for it so screw you mentality. Personally I think you should have to finacially qualify for expensive care to get it. $1,000,000 bucks for a transplant? Can't pay for it, sorry! Why should the tax payers get stuck with the bill for YOUR medical needs? Cause this "is America?" Its bull****. If I get sick tomorrow, none of you will care, and I don't expect you too. Because I have not gone out and gotten a great job with awesome benefits, its not your fault, nor your responsibility to deal with my finacial burdons. Thats the problem with people today. They want everyone else to be resposible for their problems, typical libs.

 

Humanity is what separates us from animals.
Am I for free health care? No!
I see a collection effort to save a persons life, do I give? Every time!
I see a healthy beggar on the street , I tell him to get a job!
I see a hungry child I'll feed it!
The difference is, No one makes a profit from it.
Such as a politician

 

It is not the money that worries me, it is the despair created by our health care system. Can you place a value on Human life? In the United States you can! In the country that "outlawed" slavery, we are still slaves to this system. I mean we are the only country in the world where you can go bankrupt for health care.

Rather than going full blown nationalized health care, a cap needs to be put on medical costs. The federal government can subsidize corporate america's "losses".
Health insurance needs to be leveled and equal across the board. There is no reason anyone should pay less or more with different agencies when they are visiting the same doctor.
Paradigm shift - This country is all about "What's in it for me and when do I get mine". we will never evolve as a human race if we continue to perpetuate this mentality.
A Holy man was having a conversation with the Lord one day and said, 'Lord, I would like to know what Heaven and Hell are like.' The Lord led the holy man to two doors. He opened one of the doors and the holy man looked in.
In the middle of the room was a large round table. In the middle of the table was a large pot of stew,which smelled delicious and made the holy man's mouth water.

The people sitting around the table were thin and sickly. They appeared to be famished. They were holding spoons with very long handles that were strapped to their arms and each found it possible to reach into the pot of stew and take a spoonful. But because the handle was longer than their arms, they could not get the spoons back into their mouths. The holy man shuddered at the sight of their misery and suffering.The Lord said, 'You have seen Hell.

They went to the next room and opened the door. It was exactly the same as the first one. There was the large round table with the large pot of stew which made the holy man's mouth water. The people were equipped with the same long-handled spoons, but here the people were well nourished and plump,laughing and talking. The holy man said, 'I don't understand. 'It is simple,' said the Lord. 'It requires but one skill. You see, they have learned to feed each other.

 

If she is supporting Obama's plan, she is SCREWED.
http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...56F6GT20090716
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/...sis/index.html

 

Well since the Guvment wants to control Health Care it would be alot cheaper to just provided the people with out it, coverage. As opposed to spending 1.5 trillion plus, to change the current system and *** everyone. I swear I've seen poop slinging monkeys at the zoo with more sense then these *** clowns.

 

I didnt read the full articels but I heard something the other day on CNN or Fox that if this goes through by time it is said and done the cost of health care will go up by 75%.

 

Amen.

 

It sucks that people get sick and can't pay for healthcare. God forbid it happens to me or anyone in my family. However, at the risk of sounding insensitive, why should I have to pay for someone I don't know from Satan to receive the care they need?

Oh, and it's a load of BS that if we provide preventative care, that future healthcare costs will automatically go down.

 

Someone already pointed this out but if she had a disability policy she would still have income. Everyone can buy one and should! Without a long story I have one on myself and my wife and figured I was just wasting money. But When my wife was 29 she had to use it for several months. Let me just say it saved out butts!

Socialized medicne will not work! I don't think it's fair to have to pay because others didn't prepare. It doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for them but I am not responsible nor is all of the country for bailing out everyon in trouble. If someone coiuld name one social program that is working I might actually listen? Social Security? Medicare/Medicade? Welfare? When has getting the government involved ever been a good idea?

In history many times a democracy begins to fail when people realize they can vote themselves benifits. Unfortunately we may be at that starting point now? Once that happens socialism begins to take hold. Then eventually there is a struggle between the classes, corruption, black markets and..........well something has to give one way or the other? I belive it is called a revolution? But it doesn't always turn out as well as it did back in 1776!

My .02! I'm going back to work now! LOL

 

I am on a health care plan, that is funded by the state. Governor Huckabee , signed this into effect when he was Governor of Arkansas. I do have to pay a premium as high as any Cobra plan that is out there. But I have insurance, when no insurance company would insure me otherwise.
I also know other people in my situation. I'm also eligible for VA benefits that are almost free. But the generic prescriptions they gave me just didn't do what I get in the commercial world.
My Father uses the VA, and we get into arguments about me not using them. But I think he would get better care elsewhere. But that is my opinion. My Father feels he earned it, and Uncle Sam issued it to him, so that is where he is suppose to be..

 

[QUOTE=FX41;3805898]This stuff pisses me off. The new, I got sick but can't pay for it so screw you mentality. Personally I think you should have to finacially qualify for expensive care to get it. $1,000,000 bucks for a transplant? Can't pay for it, sorry! Why should the tax payers get stuck with the bill for YOUR medical needs? Cause this "is America?" Its bull****. If I get sick tomorrow, none of you will care, and I don't expect you too. Because I have not gone out and gotten a great job with awesome benefits, its not your fault, nor your responsibility to deal with my finacial burdons. Thats the problem with people today. They want everyone else to be resposible for their problems, typical libs.[/QUOTE]

The tax payers did not get stuck with my uncle's bill---I would imagine that eventually it was written off as a bad debt, so to speak.

If you got sick tomorrow, I would be willing to bet that you would want SOMEBODY TO CARE. And, I ask you this---what if your dearest love on was ill---terribly, terribly ill---and there was the technology to cure them--it is not yet terminal---they can be helped and saved. Would you be able to simply say, "Sorry, sweetheart, I love you so very much, but I guess I am going to just have to let you die.???
I don't thin that that is a viable scenario, is it?

No, not typical libs--I do not believe in socialized medicine---but what I find ironic is this: Only in a country where we have the most technologically advanced medicine, are people worried about whether or not they have access to it. We have the best hospitials in the world---heck, when the Saudi king needed health care for his heart, he came right here to Northern Ohio---to the Cleveland Clinic. Isn't it ironic that the rest of the world has access to our best medicine...but we do not? While I admit that socialized medicine wil not work, one does have to admit that our health care system does need to be overhauled.

The government-run health care is absurd---but if you look at it, many parts of our health care system are, as well. Socialized medicine is not the answer, making changes to the system are.

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Ref, I wasn't really talking to you, I was really speaking in generalities. No, your uncles debt wasn't covered by the tax payer, and your right it was most likely written off as bad debt, but that money was covered by outragous medical bills the rest of us pay. People that can't pay their bills drive up the cost for those that do. Yes our system needs reworked, yes it is VERY expensive. But in my opinion the prices are so high due to sue happy jerks that make malpractice insurance extremely expensive for doctors who just pass on the bills to us, and the millions of dollars a year that get written of as "bad debt."

 

There just seems to be too many people, making too much money, operating our health care system. We definitely don't need another bureaucracy managing it. But there needs to be guidelines put in place to regulate it.

 

The reason they come here is because they can afford it, the reason its so expensive is because its the best, the reason its the best is because the doctors can get wealthy doing their jobs which makes it a very competitive market. So basically the reason we have the best health care is because it cost so much, you take away the financial rewards doctors will receive and people will stop competing to be the best doctor because whats the point your not going to make that much anyway. Then within a few years you have health care that's not the best anymore. If you can't afford health care or your medical bills then you should get a better job, if you can't do that then you should get a better education so you can, and if you wont do either of those then there is no need for you to be here anyway.