1st point: But that's not the way we're looking at it. Yeah if it's dangerous or harmful then you should try and help out, but without extreme measures. We're assuming that it's not causing any imminent danger to their well being or health.


2. Yes you're right, but as of now I don't see any harm being done. So what's the problem? Just because your beliefs aren't the same doesn't mean she's causing harm to you.. I also wouldn't try and push any of my own personal beliefs onto her either.

You changed the constants in the question so you could manipulate your own response. Read it again carefully.



Exactly. (You posted while I was typing lol.)

 

The brain is very complex...when you screw with it by adding outside and foreign chemicals to it, you are gonna pay for it in the long run.

If you potheads wanna fry your melon...you have my blessing. But if a pothead ever runs into my vehicle when my daughter is in riding with me...they are gonna end up paying with their life. Justice will be had, and I am not making idle threats...I just get a little sick of the alcoholics and potheads in this forum that THINK they have a right to endanger others lives "because they can handle it"...

 

Here's the way I see it---an alcoholic is a person who needs alcohol to perform their daily routines---they are not wobbling drunks...trust me on this; I umped a baseball game with a man who later confessed that he couldn't remember it--he was in the middle of a blackout. (BTW---he did a great job.)

It APPEARS TO ME that this lady needs to smoke grass as a method of dealing with her daily routine. Yes, I may be wrong about this, but it appears, the way her weed use is described, to be more than just "recreational", correct?

If she needs the weed to perform her daily tasks, then it may be emotionally unhealthy, as she is depending on something to use as a crutch to help her with these routines.

I did take a graduate class on chemical dependency counselling, and it does appear, as I have said, that the manner in which she consumes the grass is beyond "recreational" and is, if she has done so already,approaching the addictive level.

That is how I see it,

Tim C.

 

I agree, I think. If you are saying "Do what you want, but dont do it around me," I can whole heartedly agree. As with any action that has potential to impact others, you damn well better be responsible with it.

 

Yep, I am saying "Do as you will (potheads/alcoholics), but don't do it around me."

But in the REAL world, that ain't how it works is it?

I wonder what percentage of deaths the potheads cause.

Sorry, I have no compassion for those that cause others pain and suffering.

 

This use of grass seems to be way beyond recreational---from my point of view---she reminds me of several of my recovering friends who had stashes hid so that they could have access to them throughout the day.

Check some of the questions about addiction---one of them deals with drinking/using to deal with stress or to perform daily tasks.


If she is smoking this much, one has to admit that it is not really healthy for somebody.

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Is it a problem for her, though? It's not alcohol, and while there is a psychological addiction (that may be harder to break than a physical addiction), we do not know if it interferes with her job, her life, other's abilities to perform their work, anything like that. Obviously, she doesn't feel like she has a problem, and if it isn't hurting anyone else (not counting people who think they know better for her than she does), then it is really none of their business.

 

Where did you come from ??

Everything I said in there I agree with 100%. Prove me otherwise. We have a different forum to discuss this far more appropriately.

I see your point, and understand where your coming from. I agree !

The part we don't see eye to eye is on the hurtful part. Yes, if your friend is doing something hurtful to themself (like alcohol, like cigs, like self mutilation, etc etc etc) then its a different story. Some chick who wants to smoke.... well, welcome to the real world. Most teens will smoke. Some will go through a phase where they smoke very often, and lots at a time. This will pass, as you gain maturity. just like binge drinking. When your young, its the thing to do. See how much you can drink. As you get older, you change. (yes, not everyone drinks, good for you guys. Using this as an example to get a point across).

Pot can't cause bodily harm. In fact a doctor said:

Its a very famous doc, here is a link:
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...t_2_1-5-09.php

Many other docs feel this way. Last I checked, they had far more knowledge of the body then ANY of us, or any number of us combined.

Like I said, what I see here (and yes, I am assuming) is a kid and a girl. Girl like to burn. Guy doesn't. He wants her to change for him, she doesn't. I don't buy the whole "turning to pot" BS. You don't smoke to "get away". You smoke because you enjoy the high.

Hey, at least its not prostitution, crack, speed, booze, pills, cutting herself, etc etc etc etc. This is one of the least hurtful vices out there IMO.

EXACTLY !!!!

And I couldn't imagine playing "Mom" with all my friends. Use common sense. Pot = not bad. Barely able to stand up, and wanting to drive his new M3 as fast as he can = BAD. Slight difference.

Sad thing is, common sense aint so common.

 

2001 Total Deaths: 2,416,425
Cannabis Related Deaths: 138

So approximately 0.000057109% of total deaths.



They have everything broken down into different types and causes of deaths, but they leave out any categories in which there were no cannabis related fatalities.
Source: http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/...ot-related.htm

 

I agree to a point...If someone is so stoned that they cannot function, they do not need to be operating a vehicle or anything that could put other people in danger. But that's not just alcoholics or potheads, accidents happen, and if one does and someone just happens to be high at the time (if being high did not cause the accident), then you would be wrongfully blaming the drug for the outcome. The same thing could be said about people who drive and put on make up, text, chat on the cellphone, drink a Dr. Pepper, reach for a cd, fight with their TomTom, just plain don't pay attention, the list goes on and on. Pot isn't the root of all evil. I am sure that you have made mistakes while driving, too. Driving impaired is never right under any circumstances, but there are plenty of things that could cause someone to run into your vehicle, and you aren't exactly threatening to kill an old lady who is messing with her hair when she is driving. If someone uses pot and is not impaired but hits you anyway, what right do have to give a damn if the pot didn't cause the accident?

 

There is a PSA commercial here that says that marijuana is detected in 1/3 of all accidents (in recent years).
We have no way of knowing what % of people drive high without an accident, because they usually aren't tested unless the need to be arises. This also doesn't say how many were actually impaired because of marijuana, or what percentage were also falling down drunk or on another drug at the time. It's a broad blanket statement, aka propoganda, because marijuana is illegal, and our laboratories cannot even have it to run tests with it, so we have no actual test data to back up any statement made about it. Here's what I get from the PSA commercial, though. 33% of all accidents (at least here) involve marijuana (not necessarily caused by it, but it is present). That means that 66% of all accidents do not invole marijuana. Does this mean it is statistically safer to drive when marijuana is present in your system?
Sorry, not trying to fight with you, Shines, I am just taking up for the average casual user (which I haven't been in years) who doesn't cause problems yet is the first man stoned (pun intended) by people who live in glass houses themselves.

 

EXACTLY!
Stupid is much more harmful to one's self and others than any drug.

 

Do you just watch "Reefer Madness" over and over ? telling yourself thats the truth ?

I am sure some lame pot head like Bill Gates fried his brain. just happened to come up with "something" and it worked.... huh ?

How about all the profesional athletes, who smoked and became succesful ? Threw their life away, huh ?

Have family that have smoked since they were 12-13 everyday. Now at 60+ they are doing JUST fine ! and yes, still smoking. Memory is better then mine ! Still a sharp SOB.

Also, its been shown to reduce the risk of cancer.

So, other then being a miracle drug, whatcha got against it ? I promise you, I can drive just fine while stoned. I have passed many a sobreity checks, while high. I have even gone through high speed vehicle training, while high, and scored 4th best in a class of 24. Not too bad. Some of those guys can move QUICK though ! I knew the guy who took 2nd. Don't think he was stoned, but he is a stoner.

Has nothing to do with "not handling it" Some people smoke so they can eat, and LIVE. I guess you think they should just die off. You going to argue with some guy in a wheel chair ? telling him he can't smoke ? What if it makes his life worth living ? Takes away the pain without the side effect of the pills. Others smoke simply because they enjoy it. Plain and simple. They like it. Its fun. How is it endangering ANYONE ?????????????

I suggest taking a step outta 1960 and stepping in to the year 2009 ! Welcome aboard !

So what say you, mr. holier then thou ???

(see how long this thread lasts)

 

Take a look at it this way...let's say that I get up in the morning, and to get myself ready for the day ahead, I take about 4-6 ozs of Jack or Jim or Seagrams VO---and, at lunch, I do the same---just to get me through the afternoon. Then, I get home, have another 4-6 ozs of liquor---and, at night, to help me relax, and go to sleep, I do the same. I can perform my job, and I do not bother others...but, am I actually living a healthy lifestyle, or am I dependent on something? Is my lifestyle actually healthy? That is my concern.

Isn't she doing the same thing? You may argue that it is only pot, etc...but in the end, is she not dependant on something to help her---and, in the end,is this an unhealthy way to live her life?

TSC

 

check out this:

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...t_2_1-5-09.php


- Dr. Leveque

But I am sure you know far more Shines.