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the other religions of the world, muslims mormons etc.. have many flaws or contradictions christianity however does not have any. that is what makes christianity "more right" than the other religions...
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Jesus himself did not write the Bible. Not ALL of it is true.
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Originally Posted by _cashel
I'm more of an agnostic myself, but I've always loved reading about various religions.
One thing I'd like to hear about is, what makes your religion any more 'right' than say a Muslim's, or a Mormon's, or a Hindu's, or any other religion?
GRACE is what makes it different.
EDIT: or "more right"
I'm more of an agnostic myself, but I've always loved reading about various religions.
One thing I'd like to hear about is, what makes your religion any more 'right' than say a Muslim's, or a Mormon's, or a Hindu's, or any other religion?
GRACE is what makes it different.
EDIT: or "more right"
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Let's say during the first 40 years of your life, you are a murderous wretch.
You kill, rape, steal, and spend your entire life causing misery and pain to everyone you meet.
One day you have near death accident, slip into a coma, and then you have no recollection of your previous life due to amnesia.
So you begin your new life, but now you are a decent caring human being, you help people, and go out of your way to make the world a better place.
and to make it interesting for Shines, let's suppose you accept Jesus into your heart and live the rest of your life as a devout BAC.
You live for another 40 year as a near saint.
What happens when you die?
Will God forgive you for all the people you killed during your first 40 years and grant you an all access pass to Heaven?
Habibi
You kill, rape, steal, and spend your entire life causing misery and pain to everyone you meet.
One day you have near death accident, slip into a coma, and then you have no recollection of your previous life due to amnesia.
So you begin your new life, but now you are a decent caring human being, you help people, and go out of your way to make the world a better place.
and to make it interesting for Shines, let's suppose you accept Jesus into your heart and live the rest of your life as a devout BAC.
You live for another 40 year as a near saint.
What happens when you die?
Will God forgive you for all the people you killed during your first 40 years and grant you an all access pass to Heaven?
Habibi
But my wife has said that this is a fair question from a non believer and even some believers who are not well versed in Scripture. But the answer is yes. I understand that you are wanting to trap me and make Christianity look incredulous. I know it, you know it, yet the answer is still yes. Even though your scenario MAY have happened once since the beginning of man. (My wife pointed out something after reading this.) Men who are on death row, and have committed heinous crimes have come to know and accept Christ.
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Luke 23:35-43
35 And the people stood looking on. But even the rulers with them sneered, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if He is the Christ, the chosen of God.”
36 The soldiers also mocked Him, coming and offering Him sour wine, 37 and saying, “If You are the King of the Jews, save Yourself.”
38 And an inscription also was written over Him in letters of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew:[a]
THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ,[b] save Yourself and us.”
40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord,[c] remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
35 And the people stood looking on. But even the rulers with them sneered, saying, “He saved others; let Him save Himself if He is the Christ, the chosen of God.”
36 The soldiers also mocked Him, coming and offering Him sour wine, 37 and saying, “If You are the King of the Jews, save Yourself.”
38 And an inscription also was written over Him in letters of Greek, Latin, and Hebrew:[a]
THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ,[b] save Yourself and us.”
40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord,[c] remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
John 3:15-17
15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[a] have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[a] have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
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Isaiah 64:6
6 But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away.
6 But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away.
John 3
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Hebrews 9:22
22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.
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please....
Watch out for those talking snakes handing out bad apples!
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Mark 10:45
45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
If Jesus had been married, the Bible would have told us so - or there would be some unambiguous statement to that fact. Scripture would not be completely silent on such an important issue. The Bible mentions Jesus’ mother, adoptive father, brothers, and sisters. Why would it neglect to even mention the fact that Jesus had a wife? Those who believe / teach that Jesus was married are doing so in an attempt to "humanize" Him, to make Him more ordinary - like everyone else. People simply do not want to believe that Jesus was God in the flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30). So, they invent and believe myths about Jesus being married, having children, and being an ordinary human being.
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I look at threads and the like, like this.
Those who believe....believe and live their life like they normally.
Those who do not believe.....live their life like they normally would.
There is no "right" and no "wrong". Because one day, we all will die and find out truely if there is a God or not. Some find piece and comfort in the belief, which is what moves them and empowers them to make themselves better people. Other can do the same exact thing with out believing.
To me there is no reason in asking non believers reasons why they dont believe, and vice versa of asking believers why they believe. You cannot change each other, never. It is a personaly choice.
Those who believe....believe and live their life like they normally.
Those who do not believe.....live their life like they normally would.
There is no "right" and no "wrong". Because one day, we all will die and find out truely if there is a God or not. Some find piece and comfort in the belief, which is what moves them and empowers them to make themselves better people. Other can do the same exact thing with out believing.
To me there is no reason in asking non believers reasons why they dont believe, and vice versa of asking believers why they believe. You cannot change each other, never. It is a personaly choice.
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.
Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.
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That's not a comfortable scenario is it? I see that others on here do not like the question but you chose to start the thread so I would like your take on this.
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