I test drove a brand new one a few months back and never found that to be the case. I didn't take it offroading by anymeans, and the roads around here are not very smooth either.

Planning ahead or a case of lets bump up the rating to the max instead of advertising conservative #'s. I will have to agree the topping out though. I don't care who built the truck I would feel more comfortable towing that (10 - 11k) with a bigger truck.

They ( Toyota ) would be stupid to. Like stated earlier, at 10.5k - 11k pounds, they are topping out the ratings for 1/2 tons. Unless they ( truck manufacturers ) want to risk relalibility (sp?) and safety for which I can't see any manufacturer risking just to say they tow more. ( I hope )

 

I personally, don't believe any of those numbers, because there's no standardized test for the manufacturers to show what their trucks can really handle. It's all based on their own testing and advertising schemes. I certainly would never tow those kind of weights with a light duty truck.

 

I do and then some, to often........ :o



Thinking about buying an older F800 just to have around for those occasions once or twice a year that I should be using one, instead of a 1/2 ton......

 

I hear ya!

 

True, but I'd bet a buch of those F-150's sold, are the $11,988 regular cab, fleet / my-first-new-truck specials.

You can't get a Tundra that cheap.
I'm glad Ford has a broad range, but I don't think anyone expects Toyota to beat Ford in units sold. Not as long as folks truly believe Toyota's can't work as hard as Ford, GM's, and Dodge's.

...And, not until Toyota drops that Heavy Duty, diesel engined Tundra I keep hearing rumors about...

 

Nope you certainly can't get a Tundra that cheap. This is exactly why I can't understand why people want to see the Tundra is fast this and that. A fully loaded Tundra is $52,000 and you're going to pay near that. A fully loaded F150 isn't going to come close to $52,000 and you're still not going to pay the MSRP. Slap a Roush supercharger, so don't use oh it won't be under warranty, and you've got a truck thats cheaper, better looking, better quality, and faster.

The one that is going to be huge but put out numbers that rival motors of yesteryear?

 

Point taken on the price. Toyota should make them more competitive with the competition. BUT, the Tundra is a re-design and maybe trying to cash in on the "newness" of it. But not everyone wants to take a brand new truck and start ( slapping ) parts on it that could void the warranty.

I can't see how some arguments against is that having a "fast" truck doesn't much matter but all you can do is "slap" a supercharger on a F150 and you can have a faster truck. So it matters? ( just pointing something out here, not accusing you of this )

Yep, the same "Concept" truck. So take it for what you will....

 

Well it's not working out too well for them since they have only sold a few of them. Already had all of these problems. Not too good.

I don't really care about having a "fast" truck, especially not stock. Modding is fun to me. But I was only suggesting the scenario for the people who believe having a fast truck is the best thing since sliced bread. Now you can and have money left over with the F150.

 

I would double check who's truck sale %'s are up. I can bet you it isn't Ford. Toyota can only build at the most 200-250K Tundra's a year. So # wise, they are not trying to outbuild Ford or Chevy by any means. But if they can sell the majority of those trucks, they have gained a piece of the market share which has been their goal all along.

 

Toyota has only bumped numbers sold because they are finally coming to the market with a real fullsize truck. The last Tundra wasnt fullsize by American standards and even Toyota admits to that. Also Toyota was not selling these units fast enough, they are now offering huge discounts and low APR to try and turn these trucks. The Tundra owners who purchased right at introduction are very angry because the resale value has already dropped significantly due to the deep discounts. They claimed because it was a Toyota they believed it would hold its value and toyota would not have to discount them as Ford & Chevy has done. Looks like Toyota is learning a lesson at the expense of its customers

 

Correct, but in comparing these #'s it's still the Tundra of old being compared with the Tundra of new. And they sales of the Tundra, regardless of being a fullsize truck, are up.

They weren't selling certain configurations fast enough. What Toyota did was underestimate the demand for the Crew Max and the lack of demand for the regular cab and double cab.

Well, if these owners bought these brand new trucks seeing them as an investment for resale, they deserve to learn a lesson. If they wanted to be first to have them, then they deserve what they get. They fell for the hype. Out of curiosity, did the current design of the F150 have incentives and discounts when they were first introduced? ( I can't remember off hand )

 

True, although I dont think the increase they are having has really suprised anyone.




I also read they underestimated the 5.7 sales numbers. They thought more people would be interested in the 4.7 due to gas prices and overall purchase cost. Lets face it though the motor was a huge attraction to this truck.

Toyota owners are a different breed, they expect resale value because they paid premium dollar. Why would you pay 3-5k more than a comprable Chevy/Ford and not expect to see that amount back at the end of your time with that vehicle. Because I save that money upfront purchasing a domestic I dont mind knowing my resale value will not be as strong.

 

Agreed. And when I do buy a "newer" vehicle, the last thing on my mind is selling it again. I usually run my vehicles into the ground. Although one of the dumbest things I've done was sell my 91 LX 5.0L and my 82 RS Capri 5.0L.

I did get my 99 F150 out of the deal so all is not lost.....

 

Everybody (except Honda) has to play that (rebate / Low APR) game. Actually, even Honda is offering low APR's, but you will not find many Honda sponsored rebates. A local dealer might, but the only time Honda gets close to doing this, is when that "Mister Opportunity" guy comes knocking. Even then, you won't find $10K - $15K discounts on any Honda or Acura.

While any vehicle you drive off the lot will depreciate significantly in the first year, I expect that to level off nicely, and hold for the Tundra. That is a very nice truck, inside and out, but especially on the inside. Lots of shoulder room, knee room, and headroom. My 2006 F-150 felt like a mansion compared to my 2001. This Crew cab Tundra is roomier than my 2006 F-150 SuperCrew, and far nicer on the inside, except the dash- Overall, I'd give Ford a 10 on the dash, while giving the Tundra a 9.4.

Yep, anyone that buys something when it first hits the ground, will be miffed a few months later once they repeal the "Nerd (Electronics) / I gotta have it first (Everything else)" tax. Remember all those dumbarses that spent $600 on the iPhone and PS3, only to see a 33.3% ($200.00) price drop 60 days later (iPhone) and now you can get PS3's for $399... Most things don't get more expensive the longer you wait. Especially things with a year model affixed to them.

I'd be willing to bet I paid far less for my 2006 F-150, than you guys paid for similarly equipped 2004's. Someone who bought their 2006 F-150 in October 2006 probably paid less than we did in February 2006. Timing. It is everything.

The true measure of success is in PPUS. Profit per unit sold... I guarantee Toyota is well-ahead of the big three in that measure.
Even the Titan was netting Nissan $1,500 in net profit per unit sold. The last time I looked, the F-150 was around $450 per unit sold, for Ford. But, much of that profit loss was due to excessive (and not goign anywhere) overhead, as is the case with GM too.

Considering the cost, and looking at the profit, it almost seems to be not worth the effort.

So, Nissan and Toyota don't have to sell as many, to faten their accounts. And, with much lower overhead, it's far easier to dig out of a hole, and to take a few risks.

Ford has had three hits: (Fusion, Mustang, and Edge). F-150 is Old Faithful. They are going to have to do something to invigorate Expedition sales, and when they redesign the Explorer, it better be something that gets family men & women interested in body on Frame SUV's again, instead of crossovers (which outsold body-on-frame SUV's in 2006). The Explorer looks like a dinosaur, compared to the Edge. The 2008 Focus (Saw a few on teh lot Saturday) is still bland, compared to the 2007 Mazda3. Wasted opportunity to claw out some small car sales, with a fresh, invigorating design.

Better get that design team some no dose.

 

Problem is, Ford is bleeding red ink so bad they have to cut their development and design expenses back to the bare bone. It's a vicious circle.